JdN Roche Lamprecht

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https://neonnettle.com/news/5882-south-africa-fast-tracks-plans-for-white-farmers-land-grab

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….My second interview in 2018 with Simon Roche, who refutes attacks by Jan Lamprecht against himself, Nicholas Van Rensburg, his prophecies, and the Suidlander organization and its strategy of evacuation 

 

Part one of two

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Part two of two

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JdN: This is John de Nugent with Resistance Radio, and I’m speaking today with Simon Roche of the Southlanders organization in the Republic of South Africa.

— in, ahem, the “post-racial paradise,” the “rainbow nation.” 😉

Is that not right? 😉

SR: “Rainbow nation”! Tell me all about it!

JdN: The utopia! “Truth and Reconciliation”!

SR: Truth and reconciliation for some, not for others.

JdN: If you sell out to the system, then they may let you live longer along the lines of those people who ask the tiger to “please eat me last.”

SR: Exactly, yes.

JdN: There are plenty of sell-out whites who were in bed with the ANC.

I was talking with my lady friend Margaret Huffstickler, and she has a very high opinion of you as she’s listened to the radio shows we’ve done and also your refutation of some accusations made against you, and she said the same thing that I said about you.

In a December 2017 blog you’ve been accused of all kinds of things — just as as I am, and anyone else who’s trying to really do something, and has the potential to lead and organize and inspire, and not just whine, but actually do things to make progress.

And she said you “come across as very educated, very sincere, and very humble. Not at all Jewish or ‘up to something.'”

And so she was very happy that I was going to be interviewing you today to give you a chance to talk about the accusations against you, made unfortunately by someone whom many people have trusted in the past, and admired in the past, the Rhodesian white man, Jan Lamprecht.

Jan for years has had some very good Web sites about what’s really going on:

–the racial violence against white people,

–the downfall of his own country, Rhodesia…#

…and so when somebody like that attacks you who has credibility and support, it can really hurt, doesn’t it?

SR: Yes and that’s why we’ve asked you to give us this opportunity, John, because although the claims are crazy — I mean we’ll get into them — but they’re just absolutely crazy, because “they-come-from-a-man-who-speaks-in-a-monotonous-tone-of-voice. People-think-that-maybe-it’s-really-reasonable-and-dependable,” you know, so you’ve got this guy who’s got years of credibility, as you say.

Now in his very sort-of even way of saying preposterous things, absolutely preposterous, but people will believe it because you know Marshall McLuhan, an American sociologist, said “the medium is the message.”

“The medium is the message” — and so people are believing the medium rather than the message.

JdN: Well, you know, it was funny when you’re talking about his — it’s not so much that it’s a “monotonous” way of speaking, but it’s a monotone.

And I was thinking of, you know, the cultural clash going way back between the Boers and the British. And here you have it in Jan Lamprecht, who despite his Dutch- or German-sounding name is really quite British, sort-of reserved and held back, in sort of an understatement, you know, and it’s “Really we must do something about this Simon Roche fellow” ;-)…

And here YOU are, a hot tempered Irishman mixed with a Boer!

SR: Yes, yes. 😉

JdN: You’re full of fire, you know!

SR: Yes. As a matter of interest to you, John — I hope this doesn’t sound conceited at all, but I’ll tell you an anecdote that I think is quite funny.

About two years ago, a guy on an Internet forum got ahold of me, very credible guy and he said to me — “Look, one of our common friends on an Internet forum is, we believe, an agent of the police.” And he said that he (my friend, the chap who’s contacting me)….

JdN: Yes….

SR: He said — “Look I don’t want to speak ill of other people because the Lord God Almighty will judge me” [and so on and so forth].

“But the following happened. I stole a whole lot of medicine [for Boer survival] and buried it in a certain place for the time that is to come yet,” he said.

“It was an absolute secret. Only three people knew: the owner of the farm on which it was buried, me, and this third party, So, you know, it’s highly unlikely that I was sold out by the owner of the farm because [then] he’s in trouble, and, of course, I’m in trouble.

But the other guy — you know — it seems clear to us. And I just want to warn YOU [Simon].”

As a jolly-good, thank-you-very-much I appreciated it.

A few months later this [suspicious] party contacted me and he said to me:

“Simon, it’s time for you to come out of the darkness and into the light. It is time for you to shift your opinion and to change over and to come to our side.”.

And he went on and on and on like this, not quite explicitly saying anything explicitly, but the implication was very clear. And I said to him, to cut a long story short,

“Look. I’ve made my decisions. I know which side I’m on, and I’m not interested. Good bye.”.

He phoned me two weeks later — I’ll never forget — on a Sunday night, and he said “I’m phoning you because I like you.”

JdN: Hah-hah-hah-hah-hah. He’s phoning you because he’d like you to think he’s a really nice guy.

SR: “So I’m doing you the favor of giving you a final warning.” He said: “Unless you stop what you’re doing, we’re gonna put a bullet in your head. And I personally am going to put a pistol to your head and pull the trigger.”

JdN: And he “likes” you! He just said he “liked” you!

SR: Yes. This was his “final favor.”

JdN: Cognitive dissonance! In other words: “I really like you, but I personally am going to put a bullet in your brain.”

SR: Yes. I asked him why? You know, I’m trying to keep a long story short here. He said to me “For two reasons.”

And he said “Just understand they’re not the same reason. These are two separate and distinct reasons.” He said “Because you’re talking, and when you’ve talked, people listen.” And he said: “Secondly” — the second reason; he made it very clear this is a completely separate reason, although it may sound that it is the same. He said “You have a talent for not only getting people to listen, but when you’re finished speaking, people will weigh what you’ve said and what your opponents have said. And they’re inclined to believe you.”

And I said to him: “But that’s where you’re making a crucial mistake. If I were telling lies, people wouldn’t believe me. All that we’re doing is exposing a truth that already exists. So it’s a far more plausible story. It’s far easier to sell a Ferrari than it is to sell some Chinese junk motor car. That’s just the reality.”.

And that was kind of how the conversation ended. And he’s a white guy. So when you talk about whites who are selling out their friends, they’ll do it for money.

Very famously — I won’t go on for too long — but very famously there was the police agent who sold out the Boeremag [JdN: meaning “Boer Might” or “Boer Power” in Afrikaans, with “Mag” being similar also to the German word “Macht” as in “Wehrmacht,” this was a white revolutionary group that wanted to overthrow the black government and free the Boer people. Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeremag] He basically put together the whole thing. He supplied the explosives, and so on and so forth, you know. It was a complete conspiracy.

JdN: a setup..

SR: And not the man in question. I’ll tell you very briefly — the captain, the police captain, who was responsible for coordinating the setup, [well], his son died in a horrific motor accident at the age of about four.

And he repented, and so he wrote a 40-page affidavit, and it’s publicly available on the Internet, in which he said: “Look, this thing is a setup. We [the police] set it up, and I feel I’m being judged by God. So I’m repenting.”

Anyway, the point being, the REAL point being that the insider, not the policeman, the insider, the agent provocateur within the conspiracy, the supposed conspiracy, bought a farm for 36 million Rand [US $2.5 million] halfway through the trial, and this was a guy with no kind of means of income. You know he was [broke].

So the state is willing to invest massive resources in getting people to turn on one another, to betray one another, and that’s what we’re witnessing at the moment.

I’m witnessing it very painfully. Our leader, Gustav Mueller, who’s an unimpeachable man, is also on the receiving end of some of these allegations. But I would go so far as to say that it’s far worse there [in the USA, using paid government infiltrators who instigate infighting] than it is here [in South Africa].

If I only likely keep my finger on the pulse of the division that has happened since the “Unite the Right” [rally] on the 13th of August in Charlottesville last year

JdN:… Yes — and you were there!

SR: Yes, it it was kind of a watershed moment.

JdN. Yes. I should just say for our listeners that you spent about six months in the United States, speaking to churches and to patriotic groups, telling them about the white Christian South African people and how they’re being murdered.

And back then you were talking about the threat of all white farmland being confiscated without compensation.

And now it’s a reality.

And I know, because you and I talked [then] many times, you were living hand-to-mouth, living in cheap motels, just barely surviving from day to day. You would then get enough money to travel to the next city, and then you would.

SR: That’s right.

JdN: And you’d speak to medium or small groups.

And I know how stressful it is when you’re trying to do good and you’re being slammed by a seemingly credible fellow patriot.

SR: Yes! Yes!

But that’s the situation we’re in, John. This is happening all the time now in South Africa and the USA.

The global “New World Order” — the global capital. I always refer to David Icke’s definition, because say what you like about David Icke. Maybe he’s crazy as a loon.

JdN: But I don’t think so.

SR: He is nothing if not eloquent and intelligent. And he said — he calls it — a “Luciferian consciousness”… Luciferian consciousness… And he’s not a Christian, but it’s the term that he feels fits this thing best.

These people are hell-bent on destroying all of the core values of European-derived, Western Christian — not necessarily “observant Christian,” but “cultural Christian,” if you prefer, but by definition at some level, Christian societies of the world.

And this onslaught is not happening in Butan!

JdN: ..or one could say just “ethically Christian” — if you believe in love, if you believe in humility, if you believe in self-sacrifice, if you believe in forgiveness and seeking peace, and mutual respect with other people. That’s certainly ethical Christianity.

And I blogged a lot about Christianity lately, and defended the core teachings of Jesus, even to people who are skeptical about the theology. You know, “Did His dying on the Cross really cleanse my sins?” and so forth, and they may not accept that, but His powerful ethical teaching that we should not be savage animals towards each other…..

Which lie at the roots of our societies! I mean, this is a common denominator…. whether you accept it or not, whether you accept the Christian faith or not, it is a common denominator of Australia, of, by and large, western Europe, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa and the USA.

And these onslaughts are not happening in Peru, Uruguay, Kazakhstan Butan or Vietnam. The broad deluge of assault by the liberal New World Order in the world today is directed at OUR societies. This must surely tell the observer something.

JdN: Yes, I mean, there’s no pressure for China to take in more blacks, or for China or Japan to take in more Muslims. All the pressure is on whites:L “You [whites] are intrinsically guilty. White males especially are naturally evil, oppressive, racist, homophobic, islamophobic, and so forth.

And, you know, we oppress the blacks and oppress the women and oppressed gays.

And you know and and and and polluted the environment and tried to conquer everybody. So therefore we’re a particularly evil race, and the sooner we disappear the better. And now you’re seeing it.

Well, this is all fascinating.

I’d like to talk just in general, just as a way of intro, to what you have to say about the accusations against you by this otherwise very credible person, Jan Lamprecht of Rhodesia, who’s been living for quite a while in South Africa like many whites. They had to flee when Black Power took over Rhodesia turned it into Zimbabwe. And now it’s a basket case of starvation, inflation….

SR: Yes.

JdN: And they finally got rid of Mugabe recently. He was too much even for the black militants, because he was destroying life for everyone. So he’s one of the many whites that left and went to South Africa. You know, I can say something [about defamation] because I have been viciously defamed since 2009.

I had the largest thread on the white nationalist forum [called] “Stormfront” in their history by one individual. It was called “The Apocalypse of the Psychopaths,” and it was inspired by Mel Gibson’s movie “Apocalypto.” I had 264,000 visits to that thread, and my then assistant was arrested by our Homeland Security that came with three squad cars.

And immediately White Nationalists began attacking ME, and saying I caused the arrest of this kid, how I was responsible, and my thread — two hundred sixty four thousand views — was deleted. It was frozen, and then it was deleted.

SR: Wow!

And this is by one of the major white nationalists [Don Black, owner of the forum “Stormfront” and close ally of David Duke] and then, later on, in 2011, this person who had been arrested [in 2009] suddenly started calling me every name in the book.

I wondered why, while he was, in fact, expelled back to Finland and then given a 10-year ban on re-entering the United States, all three charges against him which the Finnish police threatened him with were dropped.

He was exposing the Somali takeover of Finland. These black Muslims from Somalia were gang-raping, beating and attacking the White Finnish people, especially the white Finnish women and girls and horrific crimes were happening, just as in Germany, in England, France — everywhere.

Black Muslims from Sudan were being flown in by the planeload to Finland.

And now Margi and I had taken in this kid, for eight months, into our house. We paid two thousand dollars for a lawyer because he applied for political asylum in the United States.

And then he was arrested by Homeland Security in my presence. They were very afraid of me, and that I was going to pull out my gun.

Then he suddenly attacked me — after all the charges against him were dropped by the Finnish government — and then, strangely, he attacked me, of all people, and called me a con man, a wife beater, and a dog torturer.

He didn’t call me homosexual. He let other people do that — because he had lived in my house for eight months, with me and Margi. So that would have been awkward for him. After all, why would you live with a homosexual, first of all? You wouldn’t.

Secondly, he was also attacking Margi. And so he was conceding that I had a woman, I was living with a woman, and it was an intimate relationship. So HE didn’t do that; he let OTHER people call me a homosexual. He didn’t say anything which would have reflected on him — to live under the same roof as homosexual — but he called me every other name in the book. Now I was in a hell and marginalized in our movement until 2016.

And the reason why is because [in that year of 2016] he openly renounced the cause of white preservation. He abandoned his white common-law wife and their three children. I know — I and Margi both know this woman — she’s actually a Californian of German ancestry. She married a Swede. She lives in central Sweden, in a beautiful, a very beautiful house, a nice woman, a little bit overweight, but a nice woman, you know, sincere.

He dumped her.

He had one child with her, and she [already] had two children, so he was like their stepfather.

And then he married a Chinese woman. He renounced the pro-white cause. He wrote a book talking about the Nordic Resistance Movement in Scandinavia, which is fighting against the Muslim and Black immigration into Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland, a group which had been paying him.

He wrote a book “exposing” them, saying they’re “dangerous” and he said he said that ‘there is no Muslim threat.’ ‘There is no immigration problem in Europe.’.

And he now works for an organization in Norway called “Hate Speech.org.

And SO MANY people had listened to his lies for seven straight years.

SR: It’s incredible.

JdN: And so what he said [as a renegade in 2016] did not disprove his accusations. I had already done that.

But people were straddling the fence. You know: [People think]”This guy says this, and John says that. How do I know [the truth]?”.

But then this guy just showed his full character as a liar because, you know, how can you say Muslim immigration into Sweden is “good”?

It#s a horror story. Everybody knows it’s a horror story. I mean, you have Muslims running people down with trucks and squashing children.

How can anybody say that? I mean, even Angela Merkel, even the leftists are saying: ‘Oh yes, there are some problems.’ So he has rebranded himself as a faithless man with no character by abandoning his wife and kids, betraying his friends, betraying the movement which was supporting — financially supporting — him, which by the way, had previously — his local group in Finland — had voted him out as their leader.

So he basically went over totally to the enemy at that point.

And so after seven years of me being “in the doghouse,” I’ve had this tremendous resurgence of support now.

But it was seven years.

SR: Yes.

JdN: I was in sort of exile, and considered a dubious character. And it doesn’t mean people totally believe the accusations against you, but, you know, they stay straddling the fence.

They may read your stuff, but they’ll never send you a penny.

SR: Yes. That’s it. Yes, that’s the thing — it’s that seed of doubt that does so much damage, except that, in this case, well, of course, it is affecting our ability to raise funds. But more importantly, it’s affecting an organization devoted to safeguarding the welfare of babies.

You know that this is the simple reality is that Suidlanders is not about a kind of, forgive my language, but some kind of, you know, children’s pissing competition, you know, a young-boys kind of thing — excuse the terminology.

This is serious stuff, John. We are devoted to safeguarding the welfare of innocent civilians in a civil war!

JdN: Yes. This is not [just on] the Internet. This is not right-wingers squabbling in the USA. With all due respect I say this, with great respect.

JdN: Yes, yes, yes. I understand.

SR: We have ONE purpose. Our purpose is not, you know, we’re not there to get “clicks” on the Internet.

JdN: Right.

SR: …so we can go to YouTube and say:

“Well, there were a thousand clicks this month, you know, and you put up that many advertisements for my videos. I want a hundred and fifty dollars”.

— or whatever the case may be.

This is ONLY about [saving] women and children. So people like Jan Lamprecht, Vanessa Carlisle, and Mel Ve, and others who are clearly doing this stuff in a concerted way, in concert with one another, and clearly doing it with some sort of sponsorship, because nobody can devote the amount of time that they have to this exercise without being funded. Nobody has that much time on their hands. It’s as simple as that.

JdN: Well, he claims — Lamprecht claims — he lost his job with some bank. So what’s his source of income? You know…

SR: You know what? I claim, you know, that my wife is Claudia Schiffer, and that I’ve owned a helicopter. I can claim stuff until I’m blue in the face. Does that make it true?

Judge me by my actions.

JdN: Yes, yes.

SR: Judge me — judge me by my actions, John.

JdN: I agree. Let me go back to something. I want to lay down some more general principles.

There was an HBO series called “Rome” in 2005-2006.

SR: Yes.

JdN: It was about Ancient Rome around the time of Julius Caesar, and Pompey and Augustus and all the civil wars before the end of the Roman Republic.

And you could clearly see [that] they would have graffiti on the walls of Rome.

And Julius Caesar is going by, and he sees one that is showing his wife in a sex act with some other Roman politician.

And the fact is that people were paid, for the illiterate, and they do drawings!

SR: Yes.

JdN: In other words, if somebody is cuckolding you –somebody is sleeping with your wife — to make the illiterate mob, the masses, laugh at the great Julius Caesar.

And then in other cases they were paying people to spread rumors.

So this is very, very old — thousands of years old — spreading rumors and defamation. And politicians pay people to undermine support and plant the seed of doubt.

So, the first thing is, it’s a classic tool of enemies, and of the Deep State, to spread vicious rumors.

SR: If I may, I beg your pardon for speaking over you, John, and interrupting you, but if I make one point and may make one thing clear — They always use supposed, or ostensible, or putative — whatever is the correct word — right-wingers to do it, or members of your own class, as it were….

JdN: You’re right. Your own group…

SR: You know: Mel Ve, Vanessa Carlisle, Jan Lamprecht — none of them would have any credibility if they were left-wingers throwing those stones, as it were. You know, the right-wingers would all say “Bah, typical. Typical left. They’re crazy, they’re Bolshevist, they’re (whatever), they’re atheists,” you know. The right-wing would insulate itself mentally in the way that it does, and as everybody does.

Two things that they dislike, whether it’s another race or culture (or food or whatever the case may be, the religion)….

JdN: Yes.

SR: But when it appears to be coming from inside, through this controlled opposition that the state has set up, then people are beguiled by it.

JdN: Very much so.

Now the second thing is that people who are on the same page, so to speak, ideologically, in the same cause, nevertheless — and this is one of the things that Jesus talked about — was the role of the ego, and of arrogance and pride.

And you know, there was a time when Jesus’ disciples were squabbling,which I guess they did on several occasions, over the question: “Who is the number-one disciple?”

And so Jesus just pulled out a bowl of water and he knelt down like a slave, and started washing their feet. And they were aghast: “Master, don’t wash OUR feet!” And He says: “I’m telling you, let the greatest among you be as the least. And be as a slave and servant to the others.”

SR: Yes.

JdN: “Don’t be like the people of the nations, who lord it over each other,” He says…

SR: Yes.

JdN: “But as I have loved you, you should love each other.”.

It’s a terrible problem — ego.

And so someone, let’s say Jan Lamprecht is NOT working for the enemy. I’m not saying he’s not; I’m not saying he is.

But what he might also say, because I’ve been reading his stuff for ten years and it was very good. I mean, he was giving the truth about violence against whites. And you know, careful,his facts checked out, a good source of information.

But somebody like Jan could be seeing you as competition for scarce support and resources.

And he may not realize WHY he’s attacking you, but he’s attacking you because you’re taking support from HIM.

He sees you as competition, not as a comrade, not as a brother-in- arms — at a time when we can’t afford to be squabbling, and infighting.

We’re facing the genocide of the white race in South Africa!

We’re facing rape, and torture, and murder!

But his ego may be so strong that that doesn’t matter.

SR: It may be the case. And until very recently I never made that accusation against him. I never even implied that he was part of a concerted campaign that was sponsored by the state.

It’s only on the basis of evidence.

Over time, it has become clear to me, and I’m not endeavoring to persuade you. I’m giving my explanation for what has transpired, and the explanation that I have, and that my peers have been the senior leadership of the Suidlanders.

This is based upon the pattern.

But as you said, perhaps we are completely wrong, and it’s just a matter of ego, pride and jealousy, and pettiness and a childish streak in his character.

But I don’t think so.

JdN: But you know, and then there’s a THIRD category. And that is where they listen into our phone conversations. They read what we type on Facebook and on Skype and whatnot.

So they know two guys don’t like each other — okay.

And then they [agents of the state] approach the one guy who already doesn’t like you, and say — look, I’m not saying this is true of Jan — I could use a case of some people in America who have attacked me, and I can say the FBI has contacted me in many cases, wanting to “talk to me.”

And I’ve refused.

The FBI [then] goes [instead] to somebody who doesn’t have a strong character, or maybe he has a wife and kids, and [thus] a lot to lose, and he has a house, and this and that.

And they say “We’re going to arrest you on this charge. We’ll throw you in prison with 15 blacks in a cell.”

SR: Yes.

JdN: “Or we’re going to accuse you of being a pedophile. And we hope you get beaten to death. Now either you play ball with us and attack John de Nugent — or else you’re going to lose everything, including your life, and nobody will visit you [in prison] because we will brand you as a pedophile.”.

SR: Yes.

JdN: “And then you be beaten to death. You’ll be raped to death, and beaten to death by blacks.”.

As a white nationalist you even more so don’t want THAT to happen. So they already know you don’t like John de Nugent, so then you’re really vulnerable [to being persuaded to become a collaborator]. And you say [as the state agents to the WN]: “OR we give you three thousand [dollars] a month to attack him, day and night.”

SR: “Yes, yes. I hear very much what you’re saying, John.

In my mind, your third category is tantamount to the second category. I’m not splitting hairs with you; I’m not being argumentative; I’m just saying that that very thought has crossed my mind on many occasions.

I kind of lump them all together as one broad general category, but I don’t dispute what you’re saying. It’s a nuanced assessment of the possibilities, and you may well be 100 percent correct.

JdN: Yes, so, in other words, what you want to do is “turn” someone who is a genuine, right-wing, traditionalist conservative and nationalist — because they have much more credibility. And so you find out who hates whom.

SR:Yes.

JdN: And, you know, I have tremendous respect for the late Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd, who was the great president of South Africa who led it out of the British Empire, and made it a Republic, a fine Christian man who adopted, I believe, several German orphans after World War Two, a very deep Christian, a brilliant man also, a statesman, a great man, in my opinion, but I bet you there were Afrikaners who agreed with him on apartheid and on everything — but they still hated him as a person!

SR: Yes! No two ways about it! And rivals, internal rivals who were desperate for power, who wanted, more than anything else in life, to be the president. You know, we all have weaknesses.

JdN: Ego, ego.

SR: I read an article recently that included an interview. or at least a quotation, from a Palestinian analyst, and it was concerning the Israeli Mossad, and Palestinians, you know, the spy-versus-spy, that picture.

JdN: Yes, yes.

SR: He [the Palestinian analyst] said that ‘where we are always vulnerable, and where the Israelis can never fail, is with sex.’ He says ‘with young Arab men, if you offer us money, if you offer us to go to the USA, if you offer us this, then we may or we may not accept it, but offer us sex and we will take it every single time.’.

We are all human. John, we all have frailties. I, more than other people. It just so happens that my frailties are not the nonsense that I’ve been accused of. But it’s easy to get to people.

You’ve got a gambling debt, and you’re in a crisis. It gets picked up by the Internal Revenue Service, or the bank, and there are shared computer systems –they all share databases.

The national intelligence gets a hold of it, whether it be FBI, CIA or whatever the case may be, or the equivalents in South Africa, and, boom, there we go. The door is open. Let’s go.

JdN: Well, you know, it’s interesting, because in [the year] 19 (I think) 21, Winston Churchill wrote a very hostile article about the Jewish role within Bolshevism, which was murdering people by the millions in Russia. They murdered the Tsar, murdered his family, and murdered millions of white, conservative, Christian Russians and created the communist Soviet Union.

And he wrote an article really talking about the gigantic role of Jews in communism, and then in 1935 or 1936 he wrote an article not exactly approving of Adolf Hitler, who was anti-Jewish, but saying, you know, if England should ever be in the same horrible situation that Germany was in, bankrupted, ruined, and you’ve lost a World War, it is ‘I would hope that England would have a leader like Hitler someday to bring bring back the pride,and the power, and bring our nation back.’.

So, you see, kind of nice things, but then he lost a huge amount of money in the stock market.

And, yes, a South African Jew named Sir Henry Rakosh bailed him out. He’s about to lose his mansion, his manor, called “Chartwell.” He was about to lose his house, and yet suddenly he had cash and he founded a group — David Irving has gone into this — called “The Focus.” The entire purpose of this “Focus” group, which was within the Tory, Conservative Party, was to start a drumbeat: “We must have a war with Germany!”

And so Churchill COMPLETELY REVERSED position, and says Germany must be crushed.

SR: Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm.

JdN: Because he was bailed out!

SR: Yes, and beholden.

JdN: Yes, and beholden.

Because, you know, Churchill was very anticommunist — and Hitler was very anticommunist [too]. Churchill was conservative; Hitler was conservative and traditional on most things, and everybody understood, especially if you were from the rich upper class, that communism would mean you’d be shot when the commies came to power — line you up against the wall, kill you or work you to death in the gulag.

So many people didn’t like Hitler nevertheless said: “Better Hitler than Stalin!”

So you have to ask the question: Why would Churchill radically change his position? He’d been “gotten to,” but he had a weak character and a gigantic ego already.

SR: That is true. That is true. I’m not a great Churchill fan. I’m not an expert on Winston Churchill, so far be it from me to speak out of turn. But his general behavior in the latter period of peace, the antebellum period, and then the early days of the war, to me, reveal something dodgy.

I’m not a great great fan of his. He seems to have been — how can I say this? — on somebody’s payroll. You know what I mean? Almost like his behavior was scripted.

JdN: Yes, scripted. And the interesting thing is that the British people — you know, there’s a Latin expression, “Vox Populi, Vox Dei,” meaning “the voice of the people is the voice of God.” Sometimes the common people can sense something, that they have no proof, but they just got “a bad feeling” — and so, as soon as World War II was over, the British people voted Churchill out.

Bam! He was gone! And the Americans have been taught to worship him. ‘Oh, the tenacious British Bulldog’ and ‘he’s the symbol of Britain!’ And the Americans were shocked when the British people gave him the heave-ho.

Soon as the war was over, in fact, if you look at the one of the [Allied “Big Three”] conferences, it’s Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin — and then the next conference, it’s Clement Atlee who is sitting there!

And Churchill’s gone! And the Americans were stunned. But the British people knew that he was just a lousy; rotten;M hack politician with a huge ego. He was good for winning the war; because he was full of hatred and militancy; but they didn’t need the “war dog” anymore. And the British after the war wanted social justice. They wanted a share of prosperity of the nation. They wanted to rebuild and build a new England, and so they voted in the Labour Party.

Anyways, Jan Lamprecht has — correct me if I’m wrong — more or less four big accusations against you, and also the Suidlanders, the Southlanders organization, of which you are a very prominent representative.

One, he’s implying that you’re Jewish! Two,….

SR: It’s not implicit; it’s explicit!

JdN: Oh, okay. He’s gone to “explicit.” Two…

SR: But now he’s being bold about it.

JdN: I see. Well, I’m looking at you on the webcamera and your nose does not seem to have gotten any longer or more hooked. [mutual laughter]

So I don’t quite see it. You look like at a combination of an Irishman and a Boer to me, and I’m Irish, so I can tell that.

But, yeah, we’ll have to run a picture of you.

But the second thing is claiming that you’re a closet communist, an ANC supporter, or at least a hopeless liberal who loves the Blacks.

SR: Yes.

JdN: Three, the Southlander strategy of evacuating the whites out into the countryside. [Lamprecht says] ‘That’s madness. We need to fight house-to-house in the cities, barricade ourselves in our houses, and just gun ’em down.

SR: That’s correct. You’ve done your research. Yes, that’s exactly the thread. So far, so good.

JdN: I listened to a one-hour show [with Lamprecht]!

And it was shocking, because I’ve always kind-of admired, at least, the work that Jan Lamprecht has done.

And the fourth thing is the Nicholas Van Rensburg prophecies. [For Lamprecht] ‘it’s just gobbledygook. It’s just vague, what with the oxen and blue hats and ladders and haystacks, and who knows what any of this nonsense means.’

In other words, he’s taking up the criticisms that dogged Nicholas Van Rensburg. Even some Boers who were in General De la Rey’s army in the Second Anglo-Boer War[1899-1902] thought maybe he’s a nut.

So, he [Jan Lamprecht] has sided with the Van-Rensburg-was-a-nut crowd.

SR: Yes.

JdN: So that means YOU’re a nut, [Simon], or you’re [knowingly] spreading nutty stuff.

SR: Yes.

JdN: [Lamprecht’s position] And what we need to do is get these little old Boer ladies, who don’t need to go out into the countryside to refugee camps, to acquire a machine gun and when eight blacks come at this little old white lady, she’s going to blow them away.

SR: Yes, that’s about the gist of it.

JdN: “It sounds like a plan to me.” 😉 😉

So the first thing, ahh, Simon, that I have to ask you now is that SIMON Peter was Jewish.

So does that mean YOU’re Jewish? 😉

SR: You know what the irony of this is, John?

Let me tell you very briefly, and then I’ll answer your question.

JdN: “He’s [Simon] dodging the question! ;:-) 😉

SR: The basis of this Jewish thing, he wrote to me in an e-mail, is we were due to have a debate, and he backed out on the date.

It was to be hosted by [Canadian video interviewer] Brian Ruhe, and then on the day, Brian notified me that that Jan Lamprecht was feeling very upset because his YouTube channels had been taken down and he was soooooooo distraught…..

JdN: Ohhhhhh! 😉

SR: Literally (this is what Brian told me)….

JdN: Oh, what a shame!;-) ;-).

SR: Sooooo distraught that he couldn’t bring himself to hold a debate, but he didn’t come back the following week either, nor the following month. So he withdraws on the day.

JdN: [Putting on a posh BBC accent] You know, he is very British, and, you know, the British are supposed to have understatement and “sang froid,” and nothing should bother a true Brit.

SR: Yes.

JdN: But he just went to pieces, apparently — went to pieces, and became a nervous wreck.

SR: Yes.

In the correspondence arranging this debate, he said that I am clearly a Jew for the following reasons: my first name is Simon.

JdN: Ah-hah!!! 😉

SR: My second name is Roche, and [three], I look Jewish.

Now to answer your question — to get back to your question. The irony is that “John” is also a name derived from the Bible.

JdN: Yes, and so is “Paul,” as in Oom Paul Kruger [great Boer leader], you know…

SR: And “Jan” is the Afrikaans [and Dutch] version of “John.”

JdN: That’s right! 😉 So this means Jan’s a Jew too!;-)

SR: So we know that I’M Jewish — and Jan is Jewish! 😉 We can agree on this, both of us. 😉

That’s right. 😉

SR: Alright, but not by my standards — by HIS standards.

JdN: So we’re ALL Jews, Simon — we’re just all Jews. We just work with different branches of the Mossad that are not talking enough to each other. 😉

SR: So, now, let me tell you, concerning the second basis of his allegation — the surname “Roche” [pronounced by Simon as rhyming with “coach”] or “Roche” [pronounced as rhyming with “posh””] — I pronounce it “Rawsh” because that’s the correct French pronunciation, and I once had a French girlfriend who used to get annoyed that I would take this French word and sully it with this crass, you know, English “roach”.

JdN: “Roach” 😉

SR: Yes, exactly. So I got into the habit of pronouncing it wrong. But in Ireland [Roche] is pronounced “Roach.” My father pronounces our surname “Roach.” We are of Irish stock. It’s a name.

JdN: It’s really Norman! A Norman-Irish name; as far as I know.

SR: Right. And that goes back centuries to France. And it means “stone.” There is nothing Jewish about it.

JdN: Like the work “rock” in English.

[Many English words since AD 1066 and the Norman Conquest, such as “rock” from “roche,” come from the Norman-French language of the conquerors, and not from Anglo-Saxon, which was a dialect of the North Germans who conquered England from the Romans and Kelts in the 400s, They lost power to the Normans — Vikings who had taken part of France and learned French — 600 years later, in the year 1066. English is thus a uniquely blended language, consisting of of French words — and North German words.]

SR: So to any of his young supporters, to any of his believers, if anybody has been gulled or beguiled by Jan, let them [just] go and look it up for themselves.

It is in no way, shape, or form Jewish, and nobody ever, apart from poor old Jan, has EVER made such a silly accusation.

And thirdly, the third basis, that I “look Jewish”– I don’t know, John. Maybe I do look Jewish. 😉 What do you want me to say?

JdN: No, you don’t look at all Jewish. I grew up with Jews. I grew up with JEWS! I went to a [half-]Jewish [attended] private school. My father was a self-made millionaire. He wasn’t, when I was young, but he finally became a millionaire — by the time I was in college myself.

And he put me through an excellent Christian, Quaker private school, “Moses Brown School” [in Providence, the capital of Rhode Island/USA].

And I had [there] many Jewish friends. And subsequently I’ve studied the whole Jewish question, which has been around for thousands of years, and I [do] know what Jews look like.

One of the things [physical traits] that Jews have is they have an everted — in general, I’m generalizing — an everted lower lip.

Margi noticed this the other day when Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook was testifying “in hot water” [in trouble, under suspicion] before the United States Senate.

It’s like a shovel shape to the lower lip. It kind of sticks out a little bit — and you [Simon, just] don’t have it at all.

SR: Okay. 🙂

JdN: Yes, you don’t have that at all.

Secondly, of course, they tend to have a, you know, stereotypically, some of them have a hooked nose.

Many of the Northern-European Jews — German, Polish, Ukrainian and Russian Jews — also have a slightly Mongolian cast, because there they have [had] a mixture with Turks and Mongols and Huns and what-not. You can see it in some of them in the cheekbones, and you don’t have that look at all.

SR: I also don’t have the narrow eyes, I’d just like to state for the record, the narrow-set eyes, or the close-set eyes.

JdN: Yes.

SR: My eyes are set so far apart I look like a chameleon! 😉

JdN: Mine are set far apart too.

And actually [in “prosopology,” the study of faces and the traits they are said to reveal] that means somebody who’s not conspiratorial or sneaky.

It’s, in other words…I don’t want to hurt the feelings of my dear, all my DEAR Jewish friends 😉 but Jews sometimes look like rats. 😉

They have the beady, staring, intense, deep-set, intensely staring little eyes.

And you don’t have that, [Simon]..

SR: Right…

JdN: …nor do you have any fabulous wealth. 😉

So why, why, why be a Jew, Simon? You’re not getting any money out of it! 😉

SR: Yes,yes… That’s one of the accusations that he’s made.

[Lamprecht] has variously said that I apparently stole a hundred thousand dollars in the USA…..

JdN: Oh! 😉

SR: …from “hardworking Americans”… and lately it’s become two million.

JdN: Two million!? ;-).

SR: Or two and a half million U.S. dollars in the USA.

I mean, it’s so preposterous that you don’t know where to begin to argue the matter. You know, if it were a dispute about a few thousand dollars…..

JdN: But it works! It’s a “Big Lie” technique. [This refers to the Jewish tactic that Hitler decried in his “Mein Kampf” of not telling small lies but huge ones of the sort that no Aryan would ever dream of telling. They usually only tell little “white” lies to avoid causing trouble or hurting feelings — not to start a world war, overthrow a government, invade a country — recall Saddam Hussein’s supposed “Weapons of Mass Destruction” — or to slander a good man before jailing or killing him. Normal Aryans never tell lies like that.]

[Aryans would think] “Nobody could tell a lie that big, nobody could tell such a whopper, unless it were true.”

SR: Yes. If he were suggesting that it was a thousand dollars, I would find it much easier to defend [and say] “It’s just not true” and “Look at this” and “Look at that,” and “Look at the other,” but when somebody says THAT, you know, a hundred thousand [dollars], a million, whatever, you sort of think to yourself:

“Well, I could have gotten away with it, maybe if I set up an account in the USA, and then I’d set up an account in Switzerland, a numbered account, you know.

When it becomes so big, on such a large scale, you begin to think to yourself, like you’re in a television program, you know, some sort of a fantasy thriller, a John Le Carré novel.

JdN: Yes.

SR: You begin to wonder to your own self how you could have done it! 😉

“How could I have done this? What is he saying? What is he suggesting? What is he implying?”

I mean, how does he think I “got away with it”? because surely the man is not so stupid that he doesn’t think that I would obviously have shared my account details. There was money coming in to me in the USA.

So naturally when I go back to South Africa, I showed our senior management, not leadership per se, but management, as such, my accounts — you know, my credit-card account and my check[ing] account.

“This is how much money came in when money was sent to me.”.

In other words, I didn’t have a cent, and couldn’t pay for a motel, and I had to get money from South Africa, as opposed to from a collection plate, a passed-around hat, in the USA.

JdN: Yes.

SR: Right. That’s what you see: “Here are the receipts. This is what I’ve spent it on.”

So you think, okay, well, [Lamprecht] must know that. Otherwise he’s mentally retarded. So what is he saying? Is he saying I have a PRIVATE account?

Is he saying that I bought Rolex watches with it, and then smuggled them into South Africa? Was the money in the form of Rolex watches? I mean, you know, in the end you play devil’s advocate for somebody else!

JdN: Well, you know, I’ve been doing a great deal of work with my endeavors to create a new spiritual movement, really to revive and reform Christianity so that it actually has more of an effect on people’s lives.

SR: Right.

JdN: ….and because people tend to have truths they hate and lies that they love.

I mean, Jesus, you could tell, Jesus — as a human — was appalled by the fact that He would perform astounding miracles. And immediately they would be “debunked”!

Like Jesus would exercise a demon out of a man, or some woman who was suffering from some female bleeding for years and years, and they [Jesus’ enemies, the Pharisees and Temple priests] would say:.

“I can’t believe he healed that guy on the Sabbath! He must be from Satan!” 😉

SR: Yes. Yes.

JdN: And then half the crowd, which was, you know, like, thinking, “Wow, Jesus is really hot stuff. Man, I love this Jesus guy!”

Then they stop, and think: “Yeah, but that’s true! He healed that blind man [illegally] on the Sabbath! How DARE he?”

SR: Yes, yes.

JdN: And so the really spiritually-primitive people…

SR: Yes…

JdN… they latch onto it, because they can see Jesus (as we used to say in America) “cruising for a bruising.”

He’s going up against the Jewish leadership, and he’s going to get in hot water someday.

[And they think to themselves]”Now if I follow Jesus,” like he’s got this pack of disciples here, you know, the fishermen and what-not — they’re all illiterate, I mean, they’re all nobodies. And Jesus has got his little groupies. OK.

“And he’s going to take on the high priest and he’s going to get in trouble with the Romans. You know, I’m getting nervous about this, and [while] I did just see him raise the dead, or heal the blind, or walk on water….

BUT if I go with the version of the high priests, and the Sadducees and the Pharisees, then I can still look myself in the mirror and NOT join him.”

And I say [to myself]: “There’s something weird about that Jesus, He healed a blind man on the Sabbath! That’s true. So I’m going to sit back, or maybe I’m going to join the high priest, because I don’t want to get in trouble.”.

So you CHOOSE to believe something that you think appeals to your self-interest. “I don’t want to get in hot water.”.

And then there is this guy boldly standing up to the Jewish establishment, and he’s clearly heading for a conflict with the high priest, and maybe even with the Romans.

“Oh, I don’t want to get involved with that. I don’t want to admit I’m a coward. I can’t face that as a man.

So instead I’m going to tell myself ‘I believe what the Pharisees are saying about Jesus.

That way, I don’t have to face the fact that I’m a craven coward.”

SR: Yes.

JdN: “And so the Southlanders and [their] Simon Roche are asking me for money and support and volunteers and to spread the word — and I don’t want to do any of that.”

SR: Yes.

JdN: “I want to be low-profile. I’m even afraid to type stuff on Facebook. I’m afraid somebody’s going to get me. But it bothers me that I should be helping Simon; I should be helping Gustav Mueller. I should be helping Southlanders, but I’m too afraid. I don’t want to admit it that I’m afraid, so I’m going to tell myself:

‘Yeah, that Jan Lamprecht — he’s saying some important stuff. I gotta think about what Lamprecht is saying.’ ”

It’s a way of not facing your own cowardice.

SR: Yeah.

JdN: You’re picking and choosing what you WANT to believe.

That’s how I see it.

[second half]

SR: I agree wholeheartedly! I don’t have anything to add. I mean, you know, it makes sense, what you’re saying; it makes sense. That’s that’s the nature of the thing.

I mean, you know, he said — just to get back to this Jew thing, and then we should move on — but I was brought up a Roman Catholic.

JdN: So you were raised Roman Catholic. You’re Irish. Your ancestors were Irish.

SR: And I come from a renowned Irish-Catholic family from the small village of Embawatuheni, which means “the stones in the river.” That’s what it means in the Zulu language.

And these Irish families settled there in the late 19th century, in the late 1800s, as laborers, laborers for a local factory, you know.

The labor was imported from Ireland, and so I come from not just a Roman Catholic family, but a renowned Roman Catholic family indeed.

I was an altar boy. So was my father. And so was HIS father.

You know, we were the backbone of, not one, but two local parishes, namely the St Patrick’s Church and the “Star of the Sea” Roman Catholic Church in the nearby town of Amanzimtoti, which means — Amanzimtoti — it means “sweet waters,” and it’s named for a little river there that King Shaka Zulu himself “christened,” for want of a better word, as “Sweet Waters.”

JdN: Ah!

SR: Oh, yeah, well, “the water is sweet,” Amanzimtoti. Anyway, if anybody really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY needs indisputable proof, they are welcome to phone this telephone number, which is the telephone number of “Our Lady, Star of the Sea” Catholic Church in the town of Amanzimtoti on the south coast of the province of KwaZulu-Natal, which is where I was born and raised.

The number is country dialing code +27 [for South Africa].

And the area code is 31, and then the number itself is 90-33328.

Please note that it’s a small area. So there is not a shortage of digits; that is the correct number of digits. It’s one or two digits fewer than Americans would be used to:

+2731 90-33328.

[This is] one or two digits fewer than Americans would be accustomed to dialing when making an international call.

Alternatively they can send an e-mail to check whether the Roche family is closely associated with the Catholic Church, and where I was a pillar of that church in my youth.

[Coughs] I beg your pardon.

JdN: Well, we’ll see that next week Jan is going to say you’re a “pedophile priest.”

He’s going to switch to ANOTHER accusation!

SR. Yeah, of course.

[Email]: “StarSea@CatholicChurch.co.za.”

JdN: Yes, very good.

SR: Look, the next thing that this guy [Lamprecht] is all [really going] on about how I’m a Communist ANC supporter.

I have never been a communist, never — not for one second of my life. I never went through a [leftist] “phase.”.

I never fell off the path of righteousness that my father taught me — before “repenting” and getting back on it. As far as communism is concerned, never, not for one second of my life have I ever been a communist.

However, I was born in 1971, and our first multiracial elections, which were won by the ANC under the leadership of Nelson Mandela, took place on 27 April 1994. So I would have been 23 years old.

Over the five preceding years’ period from the time that I first went to university [at] 18 years old, 19 years old, then I went to the [South African] army and so on and so forth, I believed, or I came to believe, that there was no third way in resolving South Africa’s crisis.

It was either a matter of continuing with apartheid and continuing to steadily, incrementally lose that battle, or to pitch in, and do the best that you can to make things work.

Just imagine if you lived in a small village, John, and you had a running feud with another family in the village. Your family and the other family had a running feud.

JdN: Right. But there was a crisis in the village. There was a famine or an approaching enemy. You may bury the hatchet and work in unison to deal all the better with the crisis.

That has been the only explanation that I’ve ever given for my behavior. I’ve never been two-faced about it. I’ve never given two different, contradictory explanations. I was always the white boy who believed that the right thing to do is to pitch in and make this ‘new South Africa nation’ work, because there isn’t another option!

In regard to the “Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging” [meaning “Afrikaner Resistance Movement”, which was founded and led by Eugene Terre’blanche, who was absolutely opposed to ending apartheid… Under the ANC regime, he was imprisoned 2001-04, and then hacked and beaten to death in 2010] the AWB, and the other right-winger and what have you, they never put any other option on the table.

Apart from [the fact that] there were some murmurings of secession, but they weren’t even very popular murmurings, and they weren’t debated in the news media. They weren’t a subject of general consumption.

There was a peripheral right-wing initiative to secede, which would never in a million years have been permitted either by the international community or the [long-ruling, Boer-dominated] Nationalist Party, the South African party of apartheid, or by the ANC [the communist-dominated, black-power party led by Mandela].

No way. That was a fairy tale. That was a children’s story book option. On many levels it was daft to even consider it.

So I, in my conscience, thought “Right, let’s be sincere. Let’s work [at it]. I’m going to bury the hatchet of this feud, and, as for the villagers down the road, I hate them. I hate them for what they did to my father..for bla-bla-bla-bla.

It doesn’t matter. Right now, we’re all going to die unless we come up with a damn good solution.

And their solution was not to perpetuate apartheid indefinitely until the black African population [exploded, a population] which had increased from 5 million in 1950, verified — the [South African government] census was done in 1950, in which the black African population was approximately 5 million and the white population was approximately 2 million.

[So the country was then almost 30% white. It is now, in 2018, just 8% white — one in twelve — what with scared whites leaving, illegal black immigrants pouring in (especially from the chaotic Zimbabwe next door), plus the huge fertility rate of the native blacks.]

Between 1950 and 1990, a period of forty years, which, in sociological and anthropological terms, is less than two generations on average… Some people procreate children at the age of eleven, God forbid, and some at the age of 60. But in sociological and anthropological terms of generations, 25 years… So in under two generations, the black African population of South Africa increased from 5 million to 40 million!

That’s an eight-fold increase.

Now I defy you, I defy your listeners, and I defy that horrible Jan Lamprecht, to tell me how on earth we were going to contend with that [while keeping the old-style apartheid].

Tell me, because I don’t know!!

JdN: Well, because the 40 million would then turn to 80 million, and then 120 million. It’s an ocean, a black ocean, coming at you.

SR: Exactly. We had universal sanctions imposed on us. The whole world had sanctions on us. We were buying oil at double the market rate from smuggling it from Iran on unidentified vessels, and then all sorts of other things to circumvent those sanctions that were “killing” us. You know, there was no way out.

JdN: Well, I want to show you [on webcamera, me showing an object to Simon] something very briefly. Once the sanctions ended, then the world started buying South African wine, and you were able to play rugby [again] in the rest of the world.

This is a “Gold Coast” red wine from South Africa. It’s delicious.

And, of course, when [both] apartheid AND the sanctions against South Africa ended, South African farmers were able to export their wonderful wines, and all kinds of products again, and BRIEFLY, you know, things were very good for the South African economy.

They weren’t boycotted by the whole world in the same way that the United States now has severe economic sanctions [going against] Russia. So people were thinking “Maybe it’ll work.”.

You know, the other thing I was talking this morning with Margi about before our upcoming interview today was that I was pointing out that when the Soviet Union broke up, that was actually bad for South Africa, because, whatever the Washington politicians thought about apartheid and about the Boers, and so forth…

SR: Yes.

JdN: The fact is that South Africa was anticommunist, and it fought a war for, what, 27 years, 28 years, 29 years, 30 years against the communists in Angola and Mozambique and against Castro’s Cuban troops. [Show Van Blerk Kaplyn video]

SR: Yes.

JdN: So, you know, I know for a fact, because my dad was friends with Ronald Reagan, Reagan appreciated the fact that the Boers, and the apartheid system, were conservative and pro-capitalist. They had democratic elections, and they were fiercely anticommunist.

SR: Yes.

JdN: But now once the communist threat was gone, there was no more need to tolerate apartheid at all.

SR: Yes, that’s correct.

JdN: It was a huge change. So when Bill Clinton came in [as U.S. president], the Soviet Union had disappeared. And Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright [US foreign minister, “Secretary of State,” and a Czech-born Jewess] and others in the 1990s put brutal pressure, including threats, on [white] South Africa.

And a [Boer] woman told me [in 2008] that the American Embassy had a gigantic embassy, and I believe it was in Pretoria, and it was, like —

SR: It’s massive. You’ve got to see it to believe it. You wonder what we ever did to justify such a HUGE embassy complex.

JdN: And she said that there were rumors that [this embassy] was, like, [built] ten floors deep into the ground. And they said U.S. troops, weapons, everything [was kept at the ready] in there.

SR: Yes.

JdN: And [she said that] if the Boers had resisted the black takeover in 1994, then U.S. troops would have intervened to smash the Boers, and the U.S. Navy was steaming off the coast, she told me.

SR: Yes.

JdN: My personal view is that [pro-white Boer politician] Jaap Marais and the Reformed National Party, the “Herstigte Nasionale Party” — were right.

It would have been better to just fight to the death right then. I completely understand those [voices].

But if you figure there’s only 5 million [South African] whites [in 1994] and there’s 40 million blacks, and the United States is going to arm [those] blacks, and U.S. troops are going to invade South Africa to help the blacks under Bill Clinton, I understand that point of view [of the die-hard Jaap Marais] AND I understand YOUR point of view, [Simon]. And I think we need to be fair about this.

SR: Yes.

JdN: It’s one thing to be like the “300 Spartans” [under King Leonidas] and [vow] “let’s fight to the death.” Well, OK, fine — if you’re a man, [then go] fight to the death. Now it means [also] that [after you die] the blacks — some of the blacks — are going to rape and kill your wife and your children after you lose.

SR: Yes.

JdN: As long as you understand that, YOU’re going to die gloriously, and horrific things are going to happen here to [repeating an example that Simon had used to make a point in an earlier show we did] your uncle.

We did a radio show [that discussed what could happen then] to your Oom, to your uncle, and to your “tonnie,” your aunt, and to your brothers and sisters and your children. And your wife is going to be raped and raped and raped, and maybe even set on fire — and with gasoline.

So YOU’re going gonna die gloriously as a man [= a soldier] on the field of glory but the civilians are not going to die quickly.

SR: OH, WELL! 😉

…………And that brings us to the third point that you made earlier on, when, you know, [you brought up] this thing that Jan Lamprecht is saying that evacuation [of white South African civilians during a race war to safe areas] is madness.

JdN: Yes.

SR: And he’s “prepared” [for house-to-house fighting, 1 white against 12 blacks, with the South African Army and police all on the side of the blacks…]

Look, let me say this with all due respect to Jan, I don’t want to say false things about him. I don’t want to exaggerate the insinuations that, technically, I could make about him. There are loopholes and there are weak points and there are chinks in his armor. I don’t want to exaggerate the extent to which I could exploit those.

However, this is another — what I’m about to say is — another piece of evidence for the general belief, which I haven’t [definitively claimed] — you needn’t share it — that this guy is an agent of the state; that he’s doing somebody else’s bidding. That “he who pays the piper calls the tune.”

JdN: Well, let me just hold it for a second here.

Sam Dixon is a well-known lawyer in the white-nationalist cause in the United States. And he said to me once:

“Be very careful what information you entrust to people — what you share with people in a moment of friendship. Six months from now, that same person could be your worst enemy.”

SR: Yes.

JdN: And he says “Somebody could be a sincere supporter, and on the same page as you, and like you. But six months from now, in the United States, the FBI, or the CIA, or somebody, ‘gets to’ him –either with bribes or blackmail, threats [to the person or against a loved one], or something — and so they turn against you.

So I’m not saying, and YOU’re not saying, I’m sure, that you “KNOW” — and I’m not saying either that I know — that ‘Jan Lamprecht was an agent from the beginning.’

SR: Nobody’s saying that at all.

JdN: Nobody indeed is saying that.

SR: No, no, I’m not saying that at all. I’m just saying [all this only] after having been attacked well over a hundred times by this guy, and I have never, ever fought back, not once. I’ve never said one unkind word about him in public.

We were meant to have a debate, which he withdrew from on the day of the debate.

But I feel, having been attacked as much as I have, that I am entitled —

JdN: [Lamprecht is] like a “snowflake,” like a “snowflake”! [American derogatory term for a hypersensitive liberal or minority, who needs a so-called “safe space” where he or she can calm down and recover].

“Oh, my feelings are hurt. You know, my hands are trembling. I need to drink some chamomile tea because my YouTube channel was deleted.” 😉

I feel I’m entitled to say, after this period of time, that I have certain suspicions. And I’m not ashamed to say that a pattern has emerged which suggests that Jan Lamprecht is doing somebody else’s bidding, hat he is controlled opposition.

Or maybe you can say, maybe he BECAME controlled opposition. He started off good.

SR: He did!

JdN: He started off with race. It’s kind of like with Judas and Jesus.

Judas’ heart became evil. Apparently he had the sin of pride. He was also — it is said — this Judas was one of those Jews who liked Jesus but said: “Jesus, forget this ‘Prince of Peace’ stuff and ‘my kingdom is not of this world.’ We need a Jewish Messiah, an earthly king. We want the Jews to rule the world. We want you to smash the Roman Empire and fulfill our vision of what the Jewish Messiah should be, but you’re wimping out. You’re saying ‘my kingdom is not of this world.’ You’re saying ‘love thy enemy’ and ‘turn the other cheek.’ I don’t want to hear that liberal garbage!”

So it’s like Judas turned, and in fact turned against Jesus, and then he went to the Jewish leaders, and they say “We’re glad you can see through this con man, Jesus. How would you like 30 pieces of silver to tell us where he is?”

SR: Yes. Well, look, as I say, another piece of evidence for my belief lies in this third contention, namely, that “evacuation is madness.”

If your listeners are not familiar with South Africa, it’s a bit, a bit like a pentagon, an irregularly shaped pentagon. And if you imagine that the base is at the bottom and the apex is at the top, then you’ve got some kind of idea of what I’m talking about. Our national emergency plan, our Southlanders national emergency plan, is to remove whites in the event of a civil war, in the event of a conflict or a crisis which meets the stipulated criteria of the international laws.

So let’s say, John, that you were Scottish and I was Irish.

We were walking down the pavement, the sidewalk, on a street opposite one another, and you walked up and you smacked me on the nose as hard as you could.

There does not qualify as a civil war between the Scots and the Irish.

JdN: Right.

SR: Certain criteria have to be fulfilled before a conflict qualifies as a “civil war.” Now in the event that those criteria are fulfilled in South Africa, we will implement a plan to bring whites out of the heavily populated areas, which are more or less the base of this pentagon.

The right-hand upright of the pentagon, the right-hand lateral line of the pentagon, 1, 2,3 like that, and, more or less, the left-hand lateral line. https://johndenugent.com/images/map-rsa-pentagon-roche-suidlanders.jpg

So the western portion of the pentagon is a very depopulated portion of South Africa.

JdN: So, pardon me, the bottom of this sort of pentagon would be Cape Town, and the top would be Pretoria?

And then Durban would be on the side… And so forth.

SR: Yes. Yes, that’s correct. Now, in the western interior of this funny little pentagon is a very dry region known as the Karoo [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoo] and a portion of it is, technically speaking, the Kalahari Desert. It is very, very lightly populated. https://johndenugent.com/images/karoo-national-park-rsa.jpg And there is there are no cities there. There are some towns that barely qualify as towns, though they’re more akin to villages than towns. So that will indisputably be the safest portion of South Africa. https://johndenugent.com/images/Karoo-ecoregions-west-green-east-dry.jpg

And our plan is to withdraw our compatriots — white, Christian Protestants — from the heavily, densely populated areas into the lowest populated area, where we have a plan for water and food and so on and so forth.

And they to create a defensive perimeter right which is permissible under international law. Let me be very clear on this.

We Southlanders don’t usually speak about defensive perimeters, because it’s unnecessarily militaristic in tone. And we’ve always tried very hard to make it clear to the whole world that we are strictly and solely a civil-defense organization. We are not the AWB. We are not the Kommando Corps, or the Ware Boere Legion, which means “True Boer Legion,” or “Eendrag maak mag,” which means “Unity is Strength,” and so on and so forth.

We are not a militant organization.

JdN: You’re not a militia.

SR: However, the international laws which govern the operation of civil-defense organizations in circumstances of conflict, particularly — the two particular laws — are Protocols 1 and 2 additional to the Geneva Conventions.

Those are the laws, international laws, which govern the activities of civil-defense organizations during civil war. They make specific provision for a defensible perimeter to be erected.

JdN: Yes.

SR: Now our reasoning is that it’s impossible for one man, unless he’s Chuck Norris, to take on three or four men [laughter], to take on three or four men because it’s very easy for a man to come from behind while a man is defending himself against two others.

Right, so if you came with a gang of three guys, or four guys, or five to attack me, while I’m defending myself against John de Nugent, then John de Nugent’s brother, Barry de Nugent, comes from behind and puts a knife in my back — and it’s “Game Over.”

JdN: Yes. Game Over.

SR: And in the Bible it talks about “ten of you shall defeat a hundred” and so on and so forth.

But I think it goes on to say that a hundred of you shall defeat ten thousand. In other words the ratio increases from 10-to-1 to 100-to-1.

And this is a simple principle of warfare that every vertebrate — zebras, giraffes and buffalo know. The herd mentality permits the strongest to survive because they are supported by others.

You cannot conduct a civil war by fighting from house to house in individual suburbs. You can’t do it. It’s not possible; it’s technically impossible.

You have to create greater units; You have to create critical mass. You have to create a critical mass that is self-sustainable and that is defensible on 360 degrees.

Somebody looking forward; somebody looking to the left; somebody looking to the right; somebody to the back… somebody feeding them; somebody supporting them; somebody operating the radio, and so on and so forth, ad infinitum.

So Jan Lamprecht’s suggestion that we should all stay at home and conduct individual defenses of our own houses is, we believe, a deliberate attempt to ensure, on behalf of the [the black ANC] state — “our” state, that is, the Republic of South Africa — and the absolute failure of any defense of white people in the event of a civil war breaking out.

JdN: Yes, I understand completely what you’re saying. You’d be “sitting ducks,” indeed. You know, I would say the other thing is here in America we have a problem of an AGING white population.

We have lots of very young blacks, lots of very young Mexicans, lots of very young Muslims and Chinese, and this, and that, and the other thing — but the white population is rapidly aging.

SR: Yes.

JdN: In my town the average age is 56.

SR: Wow!!!

JdN: Yes, 56. It’s unusual, because we’ve had an economic depression for quite a while now, so many young people have moved away, but when you’ve got a bunch of young, armed, black guys with rifles [versus] a bunch of men and women [who are] in their 60s and 70s, house-to-house fighting doesn’t sound like such a good idea. 😉

And it’s a thoroughly stupid in terms of the principles of warfare; it’s a thoroughly stupid idea. There’s only one person in the world who believes or professes that it’s a good idea. That’s Jan Lamprecht. Every single other strategist and tactician worth their salt in the world says the very opposite of what he’s trying to persuade the conservative Christian whites of South Africa to do.

Atop-class…

 

SR: So that evidence is pretty damning. And it’s just so sad that a guy like that, who’s a professed atheist, by the way… in other words, to the people who are being beguiled by him:

“Dear sir, and dear madam: You did know that he was a professed atheist, because that is, you know, all across his Web site if you take the trouble to learn anything about Jan Lamprecht. You will learn very quickly that he professes to be an atheist. So it’s on your head.

And it’s this, my point being that it’s very sad that a professed atheist could be holding sway over devoted Christians and telling them that they should stay at home and defend their house with a hunting rifle and a handgun and 60 rounds rather than gather together as a herd and create an effective defensive perimeter. Very very sad.

JdN: Yes. Well, I can also say that my experience with atheists is that they can be extremely egotistical too. And that’s one of the things I’ve noticed.

Then there’s an overtone of, like, superiority and ego. And:.

“I’m very smart. And I have all my facts lined up perfectly. And you can trust me. I am the great expert. I’m the intellectual. In fact, I’m sort of superior to most other people.” And it’s sort of like a subtle thing. And that’s exactly Luciferian. That’s exactly the sin of pride.

SR. Yes, the belief that, with your own intellect, you can refute or uncover the fallacy of the spirit, of spirituality, of the soul.

“I, with my brain, have definitively worked out for myself that there’s no such thing. Yes,there is the view of a bunch of superstitious fools.”

JdN: And they pat you [condescendingly] on the head.

“Well, I suppose you need your comforting fairy tales like Jesus and God and maybe the Easter Bunny and Baby Jesus. You need these comforting myths, but I am an atheist. I don’t need that kind of thing. I live in a world of science and facts.”

SR: Yes.

JdN: And, now, it’s all ego trip in every atheist — almost every atheist I’ve ever met.

One exception was Phil Wheeler, who gave me and Margi a wonderful little car about 10 years ago. He saw us walking for two years straight, and he gave us his car. He was 103 years old.

SR: Wow!

JdN: And he couldn’t drive anymore, and he always liked me. We disagreed about his atheism. But he was a really kind guy; he was not arrogant. But most atheists I have met are full of themselves. And the idea of having anything “over” them, like a god or an angel or Jesus — it just sticks in their craw, like “But I am the one who is the pinnacle of the pyramid.”

SR: Yes, yes, yes, yeah.

…you know, which brings us to the fourth point that you made earlier on, John, namely that the Siener van Rensburg prophecies are just gobbledygook. And it IS true that there are many people who are skeptical of that, but there are many people, like I am, who will tell you that there is some pretty persuasive evidence. And I had a personal experience concerning this, which I have described to you previously.

I’m not in a position before my own conscience, before my OWN conscience, I’m not in a position to reject the personal experience that I had.

You know, just imagine for a minute that an angel came down, an angel.

You and Margi were absolutely convinced, as this guy just walked [right] through the wall. I mean, it was unbelievable. It was like something out of the Bible, and this angel said to you: “Look, John, you’ve been searching for the truth all your life. And the Lord God has sent me benevolently. He’s got a soft spot for you, because you’re such a pure guy. And you’re like all the characters in the Bible, like David, or somebody like that.

And so He sent me to tell you that if you want to know the truth, you should get involved with the Eastern Orthodox Church. Forget the Roman Catholics. Forget the Protestants. The truth is Eastern Orthodoxy.

JdN: Right, right, right.

SR: The next day you would be at a Serbian, or Russian, or Greek Church, guaranteed. You would find the nearest one, and you would be there at 6:00 in the morning, waiting for the priest to unlock the doors.

Now I, similarly, read the Siener van Rensburg book. It was given to me by my father when my first son was born on the 17th of February 2001.

I almost tossed the book back at him. I was so dismissive after having read it from cover to cover, over two or three days.

JdN: And you are a college-educated man. You went to [attended] a four-year college, right?

SR: No. I dropped out, I studied the law, and politics, with minors in sociology and economics.

And I thought it was contrived. So much seemed to be [disappointingly] human. And I’d gone to university with stars in my eyes, believing that I was going to be exposed to truth, definitive truths, and even the economics that I learned was, to me, false.

I very rapidly became somebody who saw the economic system as just a contrivance.

So I dropped out, I lost faith in it, and I went into the army. JdN: A lot of people have done that.

SR: Yes, right. So I read the [Van Rensburg] book and I said to my dad, “This is nonsense.” And then, seven years later, that was the 17th, just after the 17th of February 2001. In early 2008 I was briefed to be the project manager. I am a project manager by profession, of Special Projects, not civil engineering, or anything like that.

And I was briefed to be the project manager, five years in advance, of “Operation Necessity,” which was the name for Nelson Mandela’s funeral which would occur inevitably. Inevitably, this man was going to die, and South Africa was going to have to put on a good show.

And during that briefing I was told three things, of which the first one kind of struck a vague chord.

The second one had the hair on my arms rising, you know, goose pimples.

And the third one had the hair of my head standing on end. There were three things that I’d read years before in the book, that I could vaguely recall, namely, Number One —

As you know, Tata Madiba — which is the sort of colloquial name for Nelson Mandela [ = “Tata” is an honorific word in Xhosa, meaning “father,” and “Madiba” is the name of a great ancestor of Mandela’s clan; using that ancestral name also shows respect for him]– as you know that day, Tata Madiba is deemed a saint by the world.

JdN: Yes.

SR: Me: “I’m sure I’ve heard those words before.” [in the book about the Van Rensburg prophecies]

Then they [the ruling ANC party] says [to me as funeral manager] ‘He’s going to lie in state in a glass coffin’ and I thought, “Gracious! That’s what Siener van Rensburg predicted! And then they said: “And then dignitaries will come from all over the world to pay their homage at his grave site, to pay homage at his grave site.

Next morning I went and bought a copy of that book to re-read it, to test my own sanity, really.

So there are people like me who have witnessed how, over time, Siener van Rensburg has been right over and over and over again.

You may be skeptical. Jan Lamprecht may be skeptical. Anybody may be skeptical, but Southlanders is founded on a bedrock of firm conviction that this prophet is unique in the world in the accuracy of his prophecies.

The simple reality is that whether people like it or not, Siener van Rensburg, in the early part of the 20th century, made prophecies, predictions, that were so improbable that they cost him his entire credibility.

For example, that there would be, as he termed it, and I am using his words, a black ruler on the throne of South Africa, and that the first black ruler on the throne of South Africa would be deemed a saint by the world.

JdN: [laughter] Incredible [yes, back then]!

SR: So if Jan Lamprecht doesn’t like that, it’s okay. I don’t care. But he is very much mistaken if he believes that the average convinced, conservative Christian in South Africa or within the Boer folk is not going to believe in Siener van Rensburg because he, Jan, says so. I’m afraid he’s greatly mistaken.

JdN: Yes, yes. I understand what you’re saying.

You and I did a show just a few days ago where we talked about the evidence for the COURAGE of Van Rensburg. And in 1917 the concept that a black man would ever be President of South Africa or President of the United States was LUDICROUS to that generation. I

I mean, a false prophet is going to say stuff that the crowd likes! Yet he said stuff that ruined his reputation but it was all TRUE! It all came true.

SR: Absolutely. It cost him his reputation. He had nearly cult status. At one point in his life he was deemed more or less infallible, not by everybody or all of the time, but it’s beyond dispute that he had a near-cult status in the nation that was lost when he made those particular predictions about the black rulers.

JdN: Yes, I can imagine.

We’ve done a great show.

I’d like to refer people to the other show which we just did about this and the other extraordinary prophecies.

Among other things, he made many prophecies during the Anglo-Boer War. He talked about many things going on, and he also predicted, in 1917, I believe, while he was in a British prisoner-of-war camp that there would be THREE world wars… Germany would lose the first two, and a conservative, a very powerful leader from “across the ocean” [would arise]….

SR: Yes..

JdN: So he is obviously not European, because South Africa is UNDER the land mass of Africa and then comes Europe, so it is not someone [from Europe who can be] “looking across the sea” [and see South Africa].

Somebody from the west to the east.. Well, there are only three white, truly white countries from east to west: Australia, New Zealand to the east [of South Africa] and there’s America to the west. https://johndenugent.com/images/world-map-winkel-tripel-us-rsa-australia-nz.png

SR: Yes.

JdN: And he would be a powerful leader, and he would start a war with Russia.

SR: Yes.

JdN: Now, obviously, New Zealand’s not going to start a war with Russia. They wouldn’t have common borders or enough troops facing each other. New Zealand is not worried about Syria or a chemical attack or such claims, or whatever.

SR: Yes.

JdN: America is the only country which would dare to get a war going with Russia

SR: Yes. Just to be clear, I beg your pardon, John, and everything, that the gist of what you’ve said, is perfectly true.

I’d just like to be slightly pedantic because that’s my responsibility as a representative of this thing. [Nicholas Van Rensburg] wasn’t in a prisoner-of-war camp [when he uttered the 1917 prophecy]. He was in a jail, and the jail still exists.

If anybody comes to South Africa — if one of your listeners comes out to South Africa — as we’ve had a number of people coming out to see Southlanders for themselves, and they go to Johannesburg.

If they look at the hill, it’s known as Braamfontein Hill, where our current constitutional court sits.

Above the constitutional court, on the brow of the hill, is a quiet building which was a fort that served as a jail and he was there.

The second thing that I’d like to point out is that the war with Russia will not be initiated by this American leader.

It will be initiated by TURKEY. But then America will indeed prosecute a war against Russia.

So Turkey will be the provocateur. Russia will then attack Turkey, and that will lead to a war with the United States.

JdN: Hunh! Was he not saying that there’d be conflict between Russia and Turkey?

SR: Yes, he was. He was saying that Turkey would instigate the war with Russia, almost as a proxy. The way it’s written, you get the impression he’s referring to NATO. But I don’t want to swear to that.

JdN: Right.

SR: I don’t want to pretend that we know that definitively.

JdN: Right.

SR: But if you read the prophecy, you’ll get the gist of what I’m trying to say to you now.

Russia is heavily provoked by Turkey. Russia responds by attacking Turkey, and then proceeds into Europe.

So now Russia is taking on Europe, but the USA participates. So there’s the general impression that is NATO versus Russia.

JdN: And so that sounds like Turkey double-crossing Russia, or going back to its original and hostile position, which is when they shut down the two Russian jets a couple of years ago.

SR: Precisely.

JdN: Ahah.

SR: Precisely. And I know that many American observers have latched on to the fact that this seems to be some kind of rapprochement, and at a minimum, the burying of the hatchet between Russia and Turkey, whereas we would see it differently.

We would say that, in the end, Russia and Turkey have a historical enmity … between Russia and the Ottoman Empire, a thousand-year-long dispute between Orthodox Christianity and Islam, you know, from our point of view.

We don’t SEE that because, today, Turkey is not shooting down any more planes. It means that they’re friends forever and they always have been. No, not at all.

JdN: Yes. Well, another thing, which I pointed out today in my blog, and also on Facebook, is that since the fall of Constantinople to the Muslim Turks in, what, AD 1453, Russia has sought more and more to be the Protector of all the Orthodox Christians in the Middle East, of whom there are millions, especially in the cities and in other areas.

SR: Yes, that’s right.

JdN: I mean all these people were violently conquered by Muslims. But all these areas were once the Eastern Roman Empire and were Christian as well as there were actually Christian areas of the Persian Empire at that time because it was a missionary religion. Armenia was actually the first Christian kingdom, very early on. The Crusades, of course, ultimately failed and Russia took upon itself the responsibility to say to the Arabs or the Turks “Don’t massacre the Christians, because you’ll have trouble with us.”.

SR: Yes, that’s correct.

JdN: “We’re Orthodox Christians and we will protect them.” It’ll be a casus belli, a cause of war, a trigger for war. And so, as I said, you know, Erdogan is a fanatic Muslim.

SR: Yes.

JdN: So he’s up [to something] for many, many reasons. I could see Erdogan turning on the Russians — and betraying the Russians.

That’s what we believe is transpiring at the moment. We believe that Turkey is being set up as a proxy, and it will be the ostensible igniter of the flames, but that it’s really just a proxy.

Wow. Well this is absolute incredible information.

Simon Roche, we’ve had a bit over an hour and a half of show just like our last show with fascinating content. You’re a great speaker.

And so, in summary, you’ve dealt with the accusation by Jan Lamprecht that you’re a Jew; that you were at any time in your life a communist and ANC supporter; the claim that evacuating the white masses out to the desert areas is madness, as he says; and the claim that the prophecies of Nicholas Van Rensburg are just nonsense.

And you said the fascinating detail that you were told as you were working on the preparations for the funeral, some day, the funeral ceremony for Nelson Mandela, that they were going to really put him in a glass coffin. You said to yourself: “Where did I hear that before? And it was this Van Rensburg, who[se words] I dismissed as nonsense by some crazy mystic. My God, that is one of the things he SAID would happen!”.. that [Mandela], though he was a communist and an atheist, would be treated like a saint!

SR: That’s it. Yes, that’s correct. Yes.

JdN: Well, this has been a really great interview.

Simon, would you please give us the contact information for the Suidlanders, and your website, and how people, how listeners can contact you.

SR: Yes, certainly. If I may, very briefly, before I do that I’d just like to say if anybody is interested in our cause — if anybody would like to support our preparations for civil war… We are going to be the last homogenous nation, not “country,” but nation in the true sense of the word “folk” that will stand as a bulwark. One of the last bulwarks….

Yes.

SR: …for Christianity on planet Earth in the conflict that is coming.

We are imploring, we are IMPLORING the world — Please, please, we need help. We need support.

If you’re in any doubt of our integrity, come out to South Africa and see for yourselves. We’ve had Mr. Glenn Torgersen from American Renaissance. We’ve had a very prominent Identity Europa blogger come out and look for herself. We had a team of Swedish people come out. Lauren Southern came and spent ten days with us. And none of these people have gone back and said that we’re thieves, that we’re liars, or whatever it is that we’re being accused of doing.

So if you’re in any doubt, come and have a look for yourself. But we need support, PLEASE.

If you want to have a look at our website, it is Suidlanders dot org. There’s no “www” — it’s just “Suidlanders.org”

S-u-i-d-l-a-n-d-e-r-s-dot-o-r-g. And if you would like to write an e-mail, please e-mail hk (that is the abbreviation in the Afrikaans language for “headquarters”= hk@suidlanders-dot-c-o-dot-z-a

[hk@suidlanders.co.za ZA stands for “South Africa” in Afrikaans — “Zuid Afrika”]

JdN: Wonderful.

SR: Thank you, John. Thank you very much.

JdN: I’m going to be doing a sound edit on this. I think the whole world needs to see this and hopefully we get a transcript of the show also typed out.

My hat is off to you, Simon.

I consider you a friend. I feel your warmth and your sincerity, and you’re risking your life for your people.

But, you know, you’re doing your duty as a man — for your people facing genocide! And we white people in America are facing the same thing.

SR: Yes, you are.

JdN: [cut out stumbling] This is a time for white Christians to to see in each other our brother and our sister.

And one of the things Jesus said was “To the extent you did this to the least of your brothers or sisters, you did it to me.”

SR: Yes.

JdN: It just like if Christ or any angel came to your house, how you treat that person in the hour of dire need is how God will judge you.

SR: Yes, John, yes…..

JdN: Well, thank you very much, Simon, and we’ll keep in touch.

Again, thank you so much for being on Resistance Radio with me today.

SR: Thank you. Good night. God bless you, John.

JdN: And you. Bye.