Edited by Kate McMaugh, MHSc and Warwick Middleton, MD

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this interview are solely those of the interviewee.

Interview Conducted 7th August 2019 by Warwick Middleton, MD

ISSTD Past President, Dr Warwick Middleton, MD interviewed investigative journalist and author, Nick Bryant in August 2019. This is the first of a two-part series in which we explore the work of a remarkable investigative journalist who has uncovered evidence of significant crimes against children.

Warwick Middleton: Warmest welcome, Nick. It is particularly topical that we interview you, in view of the emerging exposé that surrounds Jeffrey Epstein and his connection with high level powerful political figures. You had a particularly important role in bringing to public attention, for the first time, aspects of the Epstein case. This throws back, of course, to your pioneering work in respect to the Franklin scandal. We will talk a lot more about the parallels between those two extreme cases of organized abuse and pandering of minors by powerful and well-connected political figures.

However, my first question to you is: When you look back on your own upbringing, can you see any antecedents of a career where you’ve had a unique contribution, by way of researching the organized sexual abuse of minors in the US?

Nick Bryant: I was never sexually abused. I had a step-father who was very violent. The first time I ran away, I was twelve. It was out of self-preservation and, luckily, I didn’t get far. Bad things can happen to twelve-year-olds on the streets. If someone like Craig Spence or Jeffrey Epstein had intersected with me, I’d have been quite vulnerable. So I understand these kids in a way – their vulnerability. There is something wrong at their home, so they might run away. In that respect I can identify with these kids, but thank God I didn’t get mixed up with very sordid people.

Warwick Middleton: Can you tell us how you first started writing about this area?

Nick Bryant: I worked at the University of Minnesota for five years. Under the auspices of Biomedical Ethics, I wrote academic papers and a book on children’s issues. Children’s issues have been very near and dear to me. The United States doesn’t put a lot of money into children’s issues the way other countries do.

When I was working at the University, I was told that there was a serial killer who was killing prostitutes in Minneapolis, and there was a woman who ran an organization that helped prostitutes get out of that life. She was very vocal about it. The police were denying that there was a serial killer killing prostitutes. I found a list of 55 women who had been strangled, stabbed or suffocated over the previous ten years and I wrote an article about it. I went to the Minneapolis Police Department and I went to the St Paul Police Department, who were adamant that there wasn’t a serial killer.

But when I put this list in front of them, they became a little more receptive to the idea that there was a serial killer. A task force was set up to find the serial killer. They never did (find the killer) but, the thing about it is – I had written all these papers and a book in academia about children’s issues and nothing had ever happened. I didn’t even make a dent in the problem. Then I write an article about a serial killer, it’s my first piece of investigative journalism – and all of a sudden a task force is formed. I thought to myself – I might be able to make a difference as a journalist, rather than as an academic. It was my segue into journalism.

Warwick Middleton: What have been the highlights of your career thus far as an investigative journalist?

Nick Bryant: I would say the article I wrote about the serial killer was good. The book that I wrote, “America’s Children: Triumph or Tragedy” was a highlight. “The Franklin Scandal” was definitely a highlight of my writing career, even though it wasn’t the best career move (laughs). But I felt like I had to write it…It was just too evil for me to ignore.

Warwick Middleton: Can you give us a feel for what it is actually like as an investigative journalist researching something like the Franklin scandal?

Nick Bryant: Publishers were just not interested in the story at all. When I would bring this story to publishers and editors, I could sense their cognitive dissonance. ‘He’s talking about horrific crimes, so either I have to do something about this or label him as crazy or a conspiracy theorist’. So, that’s the reputation that I gleaned in New York after pitching “The Franklin Scandal” to everyone. They would rather write me off as a conspiracy theorist or crazy than take Franklin seriously. I took it to just about every major editor in New York. After I pitched Franklin to them, they weren’t returning my emails. So, that was a tough way to go.

Warwick Middleton: Could you give us an outline of what you think are the key established facts about what is now called the “Franklin scandal”?

Nick Bryant: “The Franklin scandal” is about an interstate pedophile network that flew kids from coast to coast. What we are seeing with Jeffrey Epstein, we saw in the Franklin scandal, although I think the Franklin pandering network was much, much bigger than Jeffrey Epstein’s network. There were two primary pimps. There was a pimp in Nebraska, Larry King. He was getting children that had fallen through the cracks, from foster-care homes, from Boy’s Town Orphanage and from some other institutions. There was another pimp living in Washington, DC, who was involved in this, Craig Spence, who had his home wired for audio-visual blackmail. Anybody who took part in any of those parties at Craig Spence’s home was definitely blackmailed.

Social services ultimately found out about that network and they went to both state and federal law enforcement. These social service personnel were simply ignored by both federal and state law enforcement – just ignored. However, ultimately, there was an investigation because one of the accused pedophiles, Larry King, had embezzled $40 million from the Franklin Savings and Loan, which he was manager of. They formed a sub-committee to look at King’s embezzlement of money. And as soon as the committee formed, the social services personnel went and said, “Larry King is a thief but he’s also a pedophilic pimp.” And then they started to look into it and that’s when things started to happen…

Warwick Middleton: What does it say about the process that leading politicians within the state don’t have confidence in their own state police force to investigate a matter like that?

Nick Bryant: Well, it shows how badly state and federal law enforcement had been corrupted with Lawrence King. We saw that with Jeffrey Epstein too. It’s the same type of corruption. And, ultimately if those senators hadn’t been unwilling to back down I wouldn’t have written the book. And my career would probably have been a lot more lucrative than it is now! (laughs)

Anyway, those senators hired an investigator named Gary Caradori, who was an amazing investigator. He found additional victims and videotaped them. He had 21 hours of videotaped victim testimony, and that testimony was given to both state and federal law enforcement. They could no longer deny or ignore that Lawrence King ran a pedophile network. So, it had gone to a whole new level and that required a completely new and improved cover-up – a much bigger cover-up. At that point there were some very mysterious deaths, including the investigator, Gary Caradori. His plane disintegrated over Lee County, Illinois. I think he got some really critical evidence that was going to blow the thing wide open.

There were also two grand juries that were corrupted. One of them went for two and a half months and found that there was no child abuse and they indicted the victims of child abuse for crimes, for perjury. It was pretty amazing. Two of those kids would not back down – Alisha Owen and Paul Bonacci. Alisha was indicted on eight counts of perjury and was looking at 160 years (in prison), and Paul was indicted on three counts of perjury and was looking at 60 years, but they would not back down, which I find pretty amazing – that those two kids would just refuse to back down.

Warwick Middleton: You mentioned Gary Caradori. What are the key bits of evidence regarding what most likely happened to him?

Nick Bryant: He flew to Chicago under the auspices of taking his son to an American Baseball League game. This was in 1990.

In Chicago he met with Rusty Nelson, who was a child pornographer and also, I think, a blackmail photographer. I spent a lot of time with Rusty. He’s kind of an unsavory guy. But in an investigation like this, you have to spend a lot of time with unsavory people. It’s just the way it is.

Rusty said that he had given pictures to Gary Caradori of the pedophilic exploits of King and the other powerful people when they met in Chicago. I’ve have four points of corroboration, other than Nelson, that Gary Caradori did get pictures in Chicago. Caradori was flying back to Lincoln, Nebraska when his plane inexplicably broke up over Lee County, Illinois. He and his eight year old son were killed. And then the pictures were never discovered. In my book “The Franklin Scandal” I dig into the weeds about very strange things that went on in the Gary Caradori investigation – all through the FBI and the National Transportation Safety Board. I firmly believe that Gary Caradori’s death was a homicide. I don’t have too many doubts about it.

Warwick Middleton: Nick, how many credible witnesses did you interview in the course of putting together “The Franklin Scandal”? And how long did it take you to research that scandal before you actually committed it to publication?

Nick Bryant: The research, the writing and the investigation took about seven years. The hardest thing was to find the victims. I had a list, you see. I got all of Gary Caradori’s documents, and he had a list of something like 60 victims. So, my job was to find the victims – and that was the difficult part of this – finding victims that would talk. Because some of them just fell through the cracks. Some of them were drug addicts. A lot of them had spent time in prison. It was difficult to find a lot of the victims. But I finally ended up getting eight to talk to me on the record.

Warwick Middleton: Nick, can you actually give us a feel of what it was like to be an investigative journalist delving into a scandal that led to very senior people and what sort of danger that placed you in as a journalist?

Nick Bryant: I only had one overt death threat and that was the first time I set foot in Nebraska…When I realized it was real, that it was a reality, that all these kids had been destroyed, I just made a decision that I wasn’t going to stop. The people who were hassling me were going to have to kill me if they wanted me to stop. That was it.

Warwick Middleton: Nick, can you tell us a bit about the two particular key figures in this – Lawrence King and Craig Spence and what their particular political connections were or are? We know that Craig Spence is dead, but Lawrence King is still around.

Nick Bryant: Lawrence King was considered the fastest-rising African-American star in the Republican Party. He rubbed elbows with just about everybody in the upper echelon of the Republican Party. Craig Spence was also a power-broker in the Republican Party. He was a lobbyist. He could call anyone at any time. He had connections. As I said in “The Franklin Scandal”, he could pick up a phone and call anybody.

Warwick Middleton: How much do you think they compromised powerful figures by way of secretly recording the sexual abuse of children?

Nick Bryant: I think that Spence compromised anybody who did anything illegal in Spence’s home in Washington. There were lots of opportunities to do things that were illegal in Spence’s home. Anybody who did anything illegal in that home was compromised. And Americans don’t understand this counter-political process. Americans think it is special interest money that is co-opting the political system. Which is true, but political blackmail is also co-opting the political system. Recently, I talked to the editor of a major magazine in New York City about Epstein. The Epstein story had broken. I knew more about Epstein so I thought someone would jump on it. She could not believe that sexual political blackmail existed. We’re talking about the editor of a major magazine in New York City and she does not believe that sexual political blackmail exists! That’s how obtuse people are about this reality!

The thing about it is that there are people who come up in my interviews that I couldn’t mention in my book – just because they are so powerful. It would be like one victim who has a very damaged, shattered life testifying against some august powerbroker. That would be like a first round of knockout as far as credibility goes.

The system is perfect because the victims become so damaged that their credibility is shredded. Generally, from what I have seen, they are from low socio-economic backgrounds, with mental health issues. Ultimately, they are molested repeatedly and then they are given drugs. Drugs are one of the carrots that are used. So, by the time a kid has been expunged by a network, like the Franklin network, they’re in tatters and a lot of them are drug-addicts. And they go on to commit crimes to support their drug addiction, which ultimately lands them in prison, which further compromises their ability to be a credible witness. So, it’s like the perfect system. You abuse these victims so badly that they go on to compromise their own credibility.

Warwick Middleton: Nick, in your book you actually describe driving with Rusty Nelson, who you mentioned earlier, and being pulled over by state troopers on the highway, and having your car partly disassembled on the roadside by troopers who were looking for something and obviously believed that you were carrying it. Can you describe what that was like?

Nick Bryant: That was the most frightened I’ve been, throughout my Franklin investigation. I was with Rusty Nelson. He was a convicted sex offender, child pornographer, and he took me on a wild goose chase with those pictures. I was driving him home. It wasn’t like “warm and fuzzy” between us. He had taken me on a wild goose chase. I was kind of upset about it.

We were going to his girlfriend’s house in the middle of nowhere. And then a police officer pulled me over. I was going 71 in a 65 zone. I gave my license and he said, “Get out of the car!” And then he deposited me in the squad car and then another trooper showed up with a dog, and they took everything out of the car. I was sitting in the back of this police car watching this whole thing unfold, knowing that I was with Rusty Nelson, convicted sex-offender. If they planted pictures on me, or planted pictures there, that would have been problematic. Before I went on the wild goose chase with Rusty I made a video of myself and disseminated it to some people and I said exactly what I was going to be looking for, and that I was going to be with Rusty Nelson. So, if anything had happened to me, that video would have been indispensable in a court of law. I backed myself up that way. Pictures had gotten Gary Caradori killed, so I knew that going for pictures was very, very dangerous. This was absolutely “smoking gun” material.

Warwick Middleton: Nick, you published “The Franklin Scandal” in 2009 and have written steadily since, including a second edition of “The Franklin Scandal”. In all of that time, given the sensitive nature of what you have had to report and the multiple ways in which you used sources to verify the statements that you have made public, have you ever been sued by anyone, or has there ever been any credible evidence from anyone, printed and published, that you are a so-called “conspiracy theorist”?

Nick Bryant: Well, no one has ever sued me. “The Franklin Scandal” is layered with corroboration and vetted by an attorney. I told Trine Day, my publisher, “You guys have got to really vet this. What we are saying about a lot of people is pretty horrific. I am confident I am telling the truth here, but you’ve got to vet it.” So, it was vetted by an attorney and no one has ever accused me of libel over the years it has been out. No one has ever accused me of fabricating anything. It’s a very solid piece of investigative journalism.

But the Wikipedia page about the Franklin child abuse allegations has some very autocratic operators who will not let any truth about The Franklin Scandal enter that page. I’ve had wars with them and there’s other people who have tried to make changes to that page. So people look at the Wikipedia page and I am summarily dismissed as a lunatic.

Next Month:
We continue our interview with Nick, particularly focussing on the case of Jeffrey Epstein. This is a fascinating read, with insights from the journalist who investigated Epstein with dedication for many years, including obtaining and releasing both the Passenger Manifesto of Epstein’s private plane as well as his infamous ‘Black Book’.

In addition, Nick will be presenting at ISSTD’s 37th Annual Conference in San Francisco next month. Nick’s presentation forms part of a half-day conference workshop presented by Nick Bryant, Colin Ross and Warwick Middleton, and chaired by Heather Hall titled, “Politically Connected Organized Abuse: Understanding Perpetrator Dynamics”, 8:30 – 12:00, Sunday March 15, ISSTD Annual Conference, San Francisco.

Finally, for those interested in reading more about the Franklin Scandal Nick’s book is available at Amazon. Remember to use your Amazon Smiles to raise money for ISSTD.

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this interview are solely those of the interviewee.

Past ISSTD President, Dr Warwick Middleton, MD interviewed Nick Bryant in August 2019 to discuss Nick’s work investigating cases of organised child abuse. This interview pre-dates Epstein’s death and the risk to his life is discussed within the interview, a foreshadowing of events to come.

This is the second part of a two-part series. To read Part One click here.

Warwick Middleton: I’m going to ask for your thoughts in regards to the Epstein matter, and we’re going to talk more about it. One of the key witnesses that has made her testimony quite public is Virginia Roberts, or Virginia Guiffre as she now known. She has stated that she was pandered by Jeffrey Epstein to a large number of rich and powerful figures who include senior political figures and a member of the British royal family. She (also) says – and this is yet to be fully established by other witnesses – that Jeffrey Epstein was secretly recording at least some of the sexual contacts she allegedly had with senior figures and that presumably tapes of these contacts exist somewhere. We know that very recently when the Southern District of New York launched an investigation that the first thing they did was to use a crow-bar to break Jeffrey Epstein’s front door to his 7-story mansion and to go then straight to his safe. What do you think is going on?

Nick Bryant: One of the discs was allegedly labelled with the name of a person who is affluent, a powerbroker and then (the name of) a victim. We don’t know the victim and we don’t know the power-broker. But I have known that Jeffrey Epstein has been clandestinely taping people. In 2005, when the Palm Beach Police Depart served a warrant on Jeffrey Epstein’s home, they found two hidden cameras. Hidden cameras have been a part of his reality for quite some time.

What I try to tell people, when they say “Jeffrey Epstein has a person compromised”, (is that) if you are compromising powerful people, people who have access to thugs, murderers, you have to have an organisation behind you that is very powerful. You can’t be just Jeffrey Epstein and whack people. So, these people knew that if they tried to do something to Jeffrey Epstein, something would be visited upon them that is far worse.

So, if you are blackmailing very powerful people – you cannot do that and live, unless you have an organisation behind you. And those people that you are blackmailing have got to be aware of that organisation, or else they will take you out in a heartbeat. Legs broken, arms broken or whatever they do.

Warwick Middleton: You were the first person, via Gawker, to publish full details of Epstein’s so-called “Little Black Book” and the flight manifests of Epstein’s private jet. Can you, in an overview, tell us what you think is going on with Jeffrey Epstein and what sort of a network he is involved with?

Nick Bryant: I acquired the “Black Book” about five or six years ago, and at the same time, I acquired the passenger manifest. What is troubling is that I pitched that “Black Book” to every major magazine in New York and none of them would touch it. So that was frustrating for me. I had so much evidence at that point, I had police reports. I had everything and I still couldn’t get anybody to touch it. The response to Epstein is very similar to what I experienced with Larry King and Spence. Epstein ran a very large paedophile network, that panders young girls to rich and powerful men, just the way that King and Spence ran a network that pandered mostly boys, but also young girls, to powerful people. They are very similar and blackmail I believe was part of the Epstein network and certainly blackmail was part of the King and Spence network. Federal and local law enforcement got corrupted in Epstein’s case – when he had to do 13 months for all the girls he molested, and especially when the Feds had a list of like, 38 victims. So, it is very, very similar to what I have written about in “The Franklin Scandal”, very similar.

Warwick Middleton: If you were to actually compare the two, what are the key points of similarity?

Nick Bryant: You’ve got underaged kids being flown all around, state to state, being molested with impunity by rich and powerful men, and then you’ve got a corruption of local and federal law enforcement and the judiciary. I think that those are the common denominators, and of course I think that there is blackmail going on – with both networks. So, I think there are a number of similarities about what people are finding out about Epstein and the Franklin scandal.

Warwick Middleton: What do you make of the fact that in both scenarios a key powerful abuser has reasonably intimate connections with one or more American presidents?

Nick Bryant: It shows that these networks go all the way to the top of the food-chain. The Franklin scandal went all the way to the top of the food-chain and I believe that Jeffrey Epstein’s network does too. That’s why they had to be covered up – there’s too many politicians, too many powerful people, very powerful people, who would be exposed if a network like that isn’t covered up.

Warwick Middleton: Can you think of any other example in US history, where we’ve had not one, but two American presidents, falling over themselves to go on the public record to distance themselves from a predatory paedophile?

Nick Bryant: Yes, it is pretty amazing. I hope this opens up the minds of Americans, and I think it is happening a little bit. I see really similar stories by the mainstream media regarding Jeffrey Epstein. They are getting away from the fact that Jeffrey Epstein pandered children to rich and powerful people. They are writing about Jeffrey Epstein’s DNA and things like that, which kind of bothers me a little bit. I’d really like the media to stick to how he got away with molesting so many kids with impunity and also, what we really need to find out is who were the other guys molesting these kids? That’s what we really need to know. That’s what the media really should be focussed on right now – the fact that Epstein really wasn’t the only guy who was molesting these kids. The media really needs to dig into that.

Warwick Middleton: Nick, within a few days of being arrested and put in a Manhattan prison, there seemingly was either an attempt to murder Jeffrey Epstein, or alternatively, an attempt by himself, to suicide. Is it not hard to imagine that there are a whole lot of people who would breathe a sigh of relief if Epstein, one way or another, was dead at this point?

Nick Bryant: You have to keep in mind that Epstein corrupted a US attorney who was ultimately made US Secretary of Labour, one of the most powerful positions in the US government. There was that much power deployed that they corrupted a US attorney. So, ultimately with Epstein, what is interesting – is that with the Franklin scandal, Craig Spence committed suicide. I don’t think he was “suicided”. I think he committed suicide. I think that all his money had been taken away. He’d become a crack addict and he could no longer function the way that he needed to function. So, I think he took his own life. Now with King, he did ten years in prison and was taken care of after he got out of prison. He was basically given a no-show job and he kept his mouth shut.

Now with Epstein, he’s going to do the rest of his life in prison, at this point. There is an outside chance of him talking, so that he could get his sentence reduced. I just don’t think that is going to happen. I think that with the people that Jeffrey Epstein pandered children to, it’s been shown how powerful they were, that they have been able to corrupt a grand jury and also a US attorney. I think Jeffrey Epstein knows that if he starts talking, his life won’t be very long. That’s what I believe.

Warwick Middleton: So, if you were advising authorities in terms of being able to deliver Jeffrey as a witness for some form of trial, what would you be doing?

Nick Bryant: If the system wasn’t thoroughly corrupted in regards to his case, you could make him a state witness, where he would testify, but I just don’t think that is going to happen. The way that the Trump administration is configured – I think the Attorney General is very corrupt. What is kind of interesting is that the Southern District for Manhattan are known for being “cowboys” as far as taking on cases. They aren’t sanctioned. They are known for really taking on the system. So, I haven’t figured out yet whether that move was by the Southern District acting unilaterally, or whether it was a Department of Justice directive that came down to the Southern District. I just don’t know at this point.

Warwick Middleton: Nick, you’ve been endeavouring for some years to have a documentary film series made on the Franklin scandal. You’ve also clearly been wanting to say more about the Epstein matter. What is the chance of you being able to get a film made or do some in-depth analysis associated with a publication in a mainstream media regarding Jeffrey Epstein?

Nick Bryant: Thus far two major magazines have shut me down with stories about Epstein. It is mind-boggling, because I know the Epstein story better than any other journalist in New York. I can see by their reporting that they are just jumping into this at the shallow end of the pool. They don’t understand the larger ramifications of Epstein. “The Franklin Scandal” has been optioned by Magnolia Pictures for three years. Magnolia has a very good reputation. Rob Reiner hooked up with Magnolia for a while and pitched “The Franklin Scandal”. We’ve been rejected by every network. I thought when Rob Reiner came on board, that that would be it, a slam-dunk at that point, but we were rejected by every network. You know, every magazine article I pitched on Franklin was rejected. I had an agent that tried to sell “The Franklin Scandal” book proposal, and it was a very large book, but he couldn’t sell it. So, I’ve been rejected on this thing forever. I just pitched another magazine article on Epstein today. The editor was aware of my work in this area, so hopefully I will get some good news about that. Magnolia Pictures has really hung in there. Most people have read about the rejections and have just given up on it. A few very distinguished film makers have given a rejection on Franklin, and that was it. But Magnolia Pictures have been having rejections on Franklin for like – three years, and they are still hanging in there with it, so I find that pretty amazing.

Warwick Middleton: Some have observed that nothing succeeds like persistence and you are one of the most persistent investigative journalists we’ve ever had.

Nick Bryant: (Laughs) At this point it would be very hard for me to do a u-turn. (both laugh) I’ve put a lot of effort in.

Warwick Middleton: Where do you see your work fitting in with the wider spectrum of things that have evolved in society’s awareness about trauma and also with what has happened within the field of trauma and dissociation? We are now in an age where powerful men who lead double-lives, are being exposed. There’s positives and negatives about that, but how much does that give you an entre to take forward your work?

Nick Bryant: It can’t hurt. That’s for sure. What I would like to do is make a docu-series or a film about Franklin. I’ve really wanted to do that. Magnolia has really hung in there with me. It’s great that I’ve found a team of people who don’t seem bothered by rejection – like me.

Epstein, there is a lot of stuff about Epstein that I have, that no one else has, so I would like to see a mainstream media magazine give me a shot at Epstein. Like I said, I’ve been rejected a couple of times by mainstream media magazines.

Warwick Middleton: As I have said Nick, this is just my opinion, but it seems like there is a really nice opportunity to have an article published that goes along the lines of, “We’ve been here before”. And you are in a unique position to do so. It draws together the key dynamics of the Franklin scandal, overlying the key dynamics of the Epstein scandal.

Nick Bryant: I think that would make a great article. Actually, that article has been rejected by two magazines already. I just pitched a magazine today. I’ve got some stuff on Epstein that no one has. So, we’ll see what happens. It’s really hard when you’ve been branded one way to get back in the groove with these editors and publishers in New York State. When you’ve been branded a “conspiracy theorist”, even though you have published a book, haven’t been sued, and everything I said about Jeffrey Epstein turned out to be true, man it’s very strange. You would think these editors and publishers would embrace you with both arms: “You’re Nick Bryant! You’ve been right all along!” (both laugh) “And we’re really sorry and we are going to publish everything that you write from here on in!” But I have not been treated as a conquering hero.

Warwick Middleton: The nature of human nature is that that rarely happens! And the one thing editors really hate is being exposed as being wrong.

Nick Bryant: You know, in New York the publishing industry is very myopic in a lot of ways, especially when you get into trauma, child abuse, paedophile networks. They would rather believe that it doesn’t happen. They’d just rather believe that.

My third book will be on sexual blackmail. This is about heterosexual honey-traps involving adults and which have led to a major change in the trajectory of history. I think it will be as mind-boggling as “The Franklin Scandal”. I’ve been working on it for quite some time. It’s as corroborated as “The Franklin Scandal”.

A Further Update

Since this interview was conducted in August 2019, significant events have happened in the case of Jeffery Epstein, including his death by apparent suicide. While these have been documented in mainstream media, Nick has also been at work, investigating the still-unfolding story. While this is the end of our interview series with Nick Bryant, we have opportunity to hear more about the Epstein affair directly from Nick as he will be presenting at ISSTD’s 37th Annual Conference in San Francisco next month.

Nick’s presentation forms part of a half-day conference workshop presented by Nick Bryant, Colin Ross and Warwick Middleton, and chaired by Heather Hall titled, “Politically Connected Organized Abuse: Understanding Perpetrator Dynamics”, 8:30 – 12:00, Sunday March 15, ISSTD Annual Conference, San Francisco.