Russia and China issue joint statement against hypocritical US “Democracy Summit”; are joint military patrols in the Arctic Sea, Taiwan Straits, on Ukrainain border or in the Black Sea next?

Russian Chinese Ambassadors’ Publish Joint Statement, Slam US ‘Democracy Summit’, Call for ‘Democratisation of International Relations’
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Russian and Chinese Ambassadors: Respecting People’s Democratic Rights
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/russian-and-chinese-ambassadors-respecting-people%E2%80%99s-democratic-rights-197165

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Kyoto Sirn@Sirn
11 hours ago
The invitation of representatives from the island of Taiwan is extremely provocative and could easily lead to something like a recognition by US minded nations to give Taiwan recognition under the leadership of the US which would lead to dire consequences.

The exclusion of Turkey, Hungary and other democratic nations will be counterproductive and make them look East rather than West. The inclusion of certain African nations, that are not exactly known for “democracy” and “human rights” to woe them into the US fold, only tells how short sighted, dumb, confused and desperate this US administration is.

Looking forward to Alexander’s analysis and comments when this has run its, under Biden’s direction, most likely disastrous, course.

Kyoto Sirn@Sirn
11 hours ago
This is certainly a milestone. A major shift. The moral high ground has been taken for all to see. Thanks to Alexander, we got to know about it.

Kyoto Sirn@Sirn
11 hours ago
The Russian and Chinese ambassadors rightly draw attention to the right of every country to determine the best government model for that country depending on history, culture and prevailing conditions and that this often involve necessary changes and adjustments to meet the needs of the people. Furthermore that no country has the right to define what is best for another country, impose its will upon it or meddle in any internal affairs. All countries should mend their own affairs rather than neglecting them while busying themselves with preaching to others.

The Green Book by Muammar al-Qaddafi clearly formulates a kind of democracy practiced in then Libya that is very different from the various versions of representative democracy found elsewhere. It is a very interesting and thought provoking read that might enlighten one to why the so-called democratic model of the West is failing to provide for its citizens what was rightly expected.

This is an example of an alternative form of democracy that worked very well in Libya, until the overthrow of Qaddafi when he wanted to introduce the Gold Dinar for purchase of all African resources by non-African countries (the usual exploiters), an African investment bank that would exclude the World Bank and the IMF and more.

Libya was the richest country in Africa. Nobody paid taxes, but received their share in their bank account every month from the national oil wealth. Health care for all. Free education for all including abroad for the best. Free drinking water supply. A gift of a dwelling when you got married, etc. Libya also helped other African nations with schools, hospitals and more.

All of this was of course not the corporate exploitation model of the US, so Qaddafi was brutally murdered and the country thrown into chaotic turmoil and ruin with catastrophic consequences, among which was also the African migrants to Europe. At the same time, it became the end of an alternative kind of democracy that had proved itself to work for the benefit of the people of Libya.

In the process Libya’s enormous gold reserves also disappeared without a trace ! We all remember Hillary’s ecstatic laughter…

Here in a pdf file format, but it is also available in print.

http://openanthropology.org/libya/gaddafi-green-book.pdf

dcastle852@dcastle852
12 hours ago
@theduran It seemed to me that the USG has exploited the United Nations Responsibility to Protect(R2P) commitment in 2005 in order to push USG mandates on other countries. It is part of the weaponizing of humand rights that I believe you and others have mentioned.

cacb@cacb
14 hours ago
@theduran Thank you, Alexander, this was very interesting! Indeed it is anti-democratic for the US to unilaterally define which other countries are democratic. This should be obvious and I agree entirely that this “democracy summit” is a big mistake. I am hopeful it will have the opposite effect of the one intended by the US.

Tsunamibomb@Tsunamibomb
17 hours ago
@theduran Thank you! You have made me take a closer look at what the social liberals are actually saying. Perhaps they make more sense than you after all. I thought you were a realistic analyst. But not so much, unfortunately.

Tsunamibomb@Tsunamibomb
17 hours ago
@theduran Isn’t it funny that China was desperate to get US (and Soviet, depending on which warlord) help when the Japanese invaded them in the 1930s? Nothing wrong with US intervention back then.

And “democracy” means that the majority of a people in a state, or any democratic organisation such as a stock holding company, decides what is to be done. “International democracy” is an idiotic term. There is no international law. There are only bilateral agreements. Which most often are not kept (see ww2 for example). Because there is no global court to uphold such international agreements.

Supermarket4@Supermarket4
15 hours ago
@theduran, @Tsunamibomb . Unless it’s something very wrong with your mindset. Don’t you hear yourself, how outdated are your thoughts and assumptions?
Sorry, but someone should tell you, otherwise you will go straight to the hell! Lol
Tell me who put thous things in your mind?

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Gerry-D@Gerry-D
10 hours ago
@theduran, @Tsunamibomb
To be clear, International Law can be defined very literally as nothing more than a catch all literal description of many legal constructs. However the United Nations is generally recognized and was envisioned as being the closest body that could be formed with any capability of getting many nations to agree on appropriate behavior usually based on UN Resolutions. There are subsequent judicial bodies that attempt to adjudicate or enforce such agreements but the concept is still the same.
That, in my view, is as close as we have come to any effective geopolitical form of so called “International Law”. That is not simply bilateral. ( I welcome a critique from those more informed than I on such matters) However, some have chosen, not only to ignore that which does not suit their ends, but to “invent” self serving illegitimate “rules based order(s)”.
The UN isn’t perfect in its balance nor (I must say) all of its accomplishments but its “all we got”. By the way, to include stock holding companies as good example of democracy at work is a poor choice. Their goal is profit and shareholder value usually without having to consider “collateral damage” in any of its forms. We should at least aspire to a better model than that. (Call me naive if you like)
A consensus on some things among diverse cultures and political ideologies is the best we can accomplish with the view that any success will lead to more dialogue and understanding. Alternative? Usually war. But now maybe “sanctions”.
Same difference.
Oh, and interventions should only BE REQUESTED (or at least welcomed). Almost never imposed regardless of intent, be it humanitarian or merely subversive.
Once more, just a layman’s take.
PS We don’t have to agree on everything. Just discuss it.
Hmmm! Kinda like the UN?

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Tsunamibomb@Tsunamibomb
7 hours ago
@theduran, @Gerry-D The UN is bilateral in the sense that any member is free to leave. My point is that international politics is where elected politicians are free to make up new laws outside, and above as they claim, the national constitutions according to which they were elected and where there in some nations are courts supervising them. International politics is the Wild West for politicians, that’s why it’s so popular to make a career there.

Do you think about “collateral damage” (this communist propaganda term without meaning) for the insects when you walk on the grass?

And I think that the stock holding company is the perfect ideal of a human society. If you want to join, you have to contribute by buying. And you are free to leave at any time. But if we work well together, then we will all share the profits of our labour according to our stakes. The perfect invention! The world wouldn’t have industrialized without it.

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YugoSlav@YugoSlav
17 hours ago
@theduran this all seems so frivolous. Don’t mind me. Just a theocratic monarchist here.

Supermarket4@Supermarket4
17 hours ago
@theduran, @YugoSlav . How frivolous, too erotic ? 🤣
Or self irony? Interesting, if so.
Thanks anyway, for super meaningful contribution! To which century, pardon me to ask? 🤣
I am teasing you, cause what old fashioned guys provoke . Lol
Take my words easy. I am just feeling happy and frivolous. 😀
Hint, attracted to opposite! 😉

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Supermarket4@Supermarket4
17 hours ago
@theduran . I was curious about people’s reaction and I did read comments on YouTube too. Huge success!
China and Russia jointly, intellectually challenging West’s hypocrisy and false climes, absolutely resonates with people! I was so glad to see that! People welcome the new era without abuse and falsity! The world feels perfect for a moment! 😀

I thought, why not to force US to clime the copy right for democracy model before jurors of international community?! It would be quite entertaining to watch! Lol
What I mean, why not to legally take rights of claiming democracy?! Why not to make US failure to feet the criteria officially denied?!
Mr lavrov and Wang Yi should hear this. This officially propelling the new era for humanity, will be the crown of their lifelong work as the diplomats extraordinary!
😀
I don’t want to separate them anymore, because, the power is in unity! Join the new , better world!

If not Alexander, you know how they are good in making reality disappear!

maverick256@maverick256
17 hours ago
@theduran, @Supermarket4 what? Has it ever been available on YouTube or it has been deleted by YouTube? I could not find this video on YouTube.

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Supermarket4@Supermarket4
17 hours ago
@theduran, @maverick256 . Wow, from which country you try to find it on YouTube? I guess it discriminates some countries access. I am really curious. UK? EU?

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cacb@cacb
14 hours ago
@theduran, @Supermarket4, @maverick256 It’s here

With almost 400 comments as I write this
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joecizin@JoeCizin
18 hours ago
@theduran This Statement, and your accompanying commentary, is a Point in Time of great significance, that may not be apparent to some, but will be, in the not to distance future. It is the “Throwing Down the Gauntlet”

Supermarket4@Supermarket4
17 hours ago
@theduran, @JoeCizin . Totally agree, it’s huge! And if not Alexander, we’ll , you know, only bastards would have access to it!

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Tsunamibomb@Tsunamibomb
18 hours ago
04:55
“In China, the people has the right to elections”.
Is that really so?
To this claim, it is not necessary to add any thing more.
Why does this guy spew out shit like this? Is he paid off? Or does he just hate all of human kind?

Let me make a joke of it:
I quote the greatest astrophysicist of the 20th century (barring only Einstein and Hubble) Fritz Zwicky, in the 1930s. His social competence was such that, Dracula style, a colleague resigned because he feared his life being alone with him in the observatory at night. But Fritz didn’t only invent neutron stars and discovered dark matter, he also said (about Biden/Putin/Jingpee as I translate the academic authorities he actually complained about, to today’s relevance):
“They are all spherical bastards!
What do you mean, ‘spherical’?
They are equal bastards from whatever angle you observe them!”

Tony_Wicher@Tony_Wicher
18 hours ago
@theduran I was on my feet cheering listening to the joint Russia/China statement on democracy. Democracy means “rule by the people” which means that the government exists by consent of the governed and which actually does represent the interests of the people. There are many different political systems possible that can be called “democracies” by that definition, including Russia and China. The only other basic kind of government besides democracy is oligarchy. The United States used to be a democracy but is now an oligarchy whose government serves only the rich and not the people. Its foreign policy is also anti-democratic; it is imperialism – forcing other countries to bend to its will, never negotiating with others with respect. That is what my country has become – but I am hopeful that the spirit of freedom in which it was founded will reassert itself very soon.

Supermarket4@Supermarket4
16 hours ago
@theduran, @Tony_Wicher . Tony. You are open minded wonderful American, I can hear you being so. Get a ticket to Russia and see yourself, stay there for some time , read newspapers get friends there , see and hear by yourself. Do the same by going to China. When you will come back tell me what you think.
I am too happy tonight to talk about US , being American. Cause it brings me only pain, feelings of disapproval and much worse. You know what I am talking about.
One thing I am absolutely sure, we need to embrace the new era and the new world, it’s our solution!
We have no enemies, we are perfectly secure from outside. All enemies are the Corrupt to the core Washington’s created ghost enemies. You know that.
US hegemony, never served us , the peoples interests, you know that too.
So, just get rid of superficially infused fears and embrace the better world. Our life’s will become better too , you will see, or our children will see. Neocolonialism did exhaust itself, it’s the fact.
We gonna be fine!

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Taniwha@Taniwha
19 hours ago
@theduran Any agreement with the USA comes with multiple strings, they have in effect become just as you say the USSR were, with the exception that they are a Corptocracy not a Republic and certainly not a Democracy.

FlowerPower@FlowerPowers
19 hours ago
@theduran Very enjoyable video Alexander, TY.

Spottymaldoon@Spottymaldoon
20 hours ago
@theduran Thank you for this insightful examination of the topic – what I particularly value is your willingness to speculate – while always giving sound reasons for such speculation. Nobody demands that you will always be right but the fact that you do it is both appreciated and respected.

Supermarket4@Supermarket4
20 hours ago
@theduran . Brilliant statement! And all the truth is on their side!
Expending “ democracy” is neocolonialism! Plane and simple! And while West pretends, Global South considers Western “ democracy” as neocolonialism! They know it by their own skin!
One thing which US and its puddles have , it’s not democracy, but just the long tongue! Which obviously needs to be shorten to normal size and should be taken out its poison teeth from the mouth as well, so it will not harm anyone anymore! 😆

johncdurham@johncdurham
20 hours ago
@theduran This event, that so well expressed reality and truths, was an Earthquake. A major change in the Earth’s consciousness. The West is naked. Exposed. We will soon see that because of this announcement the West has lost its political lead. There is no escape from Ideas presented in this announcement event for any brain on Earth that respects People. This is a new and huge Splash onto the International scene by China/Russia. And after 73 regime changes for the Banks, how can the West claim it is The Righteous One?

Informed people know that America and the West have declined to the point it represents only their Big Banks primarily, full stop. The Justice, Financial, Intelligence establishments have brought a once great nation to an end of the road. A great service to an awakened American People was done by this announcement and will give some needed guidance on what they should do now.

Americans need to ATTACK. Go to WAR. But, not against Russia/China. No. But, against their Politicians who have long since done almost nothing but, over and over only selling them out while lying to them over and over, every step of the way.

cacb@cacb
14 hours ago
@theduran, @johncdurham Thank you! Very well stated. I agree entirely.

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shaymac@shaymac
21 hours ago
@theduran I find it very reassuring that such diplomats still exists. Very well crafted statement. But let’s not get too hung up on democracy. Voting for health passes as in Switzerland is democratic. Personally I find it repugnant. Voting for national socialism in Germany was also democracy in action.

dcastle852@dcastle852
19 hours ago
@theduran, @shaymacGood point. Thank you.

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Pete@Analogue
21 hours ago
@theduran For seemingly just a description of a published ‘joint statement’, that was so thought provoking. Alexander outlines often a complex issue, and then goes on to reflect on implications, all with amazing clarity and brevity. Not only that, he manages to keep it all riveting. I’m not sure how he does it, but I’m glad I stumbled upon his content.

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