David Fravor, at his home in Windham, N.H., is a former Navy pilot who says he was “pretty weirded out” by an unexplained episode over the Pacific. His story has captured the attention of a Pentagon program investigating U.F.O.s. CreditM. Scott Brauer for The New York Times
He and a fellow US Navy pilot were flying their FA-18 Hornets off the San Diego, California coast
San Diego is located on the US side of the US-Mexican border and hosts a huge US Navy base….
… and a fierce Marine Corps boot camp (the west-coast version of Parris Island).
San Diego yachts in the harbor
US Navy aircraft carriers regularly dock at and leave the navy base at Coronado Island in San Diego harbor.
The two articles below represent a classic “limited hangout,” to use a Nixonian phrase.
Oliver Stone’s mostly excellent exposé movie “JFK,” on the successful plot to murder John Kennedy…
Secret Service agent in Dallas on 11/22/1963 raises his arms in disgust and protest (doubtless saying “WTF?”) after being ordered, seconds before the murder, to dismount from the back of the president’s limousine
…is all true when it blasts away at the CIA, but it omits the essential actors and actions. The CIA was just the Jews’ tool. The real, main goal was to remove the secretly antisemitic Kennedy so Israel could build atomic bombs.
I wrote the comrade who sent me the link below:
I am going to blog on these two Jew York Times articles . What a classic “limited hangout,” to cite the old Nixon tactic, a partial confession to make you seem to be “coming clean.” Every con man admits some human weakness, sin or failure to his victim — to garner trust.
The US regime itself is a front for a genuine “X-Files” crypto-government (the show itself being a perfect example of the black-magickal command to warn the cowardly, foolish victim before you begin the torture and murder). It has been infiltrated by, yes, Greys and (sigh, as insane as this m-u-s-t sound 
) shapeshifters masquerading as humans, just as David Icke has courageously said for decades. These are malevolent beings from the, alas, very real reptilian empire
As silly as this sure does look, this is exactly what is going on… something so incredible the average mind is boggled.
The great, half-Jewish chess master Bobby Fischer said it best:
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Btw, two years after the tragic death of my ailing friend, the late, great author Michael Collins Piper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_Piper), I choose today to reveal that he told me himself that he was in Los Angeles in an elevator and the person next to him went out of phase, so to speak, and reptilian features began appearing where his human face had been. (This person is a somebody in the WN movement, btw.)
Piper was naturally shocked; the being saw instantly what was going on by Piper’s flabbergasted expression — and went right back to looking human, an act which is said to take constant effort and energy by reptilians. He/she/it then got quickly off the elevator at the next floor. (Underground Los Angeles is reputed to be a reptilian hub.)
Piper wrote THE book on the JFK assassination: Final_Judgment
Also:
On infiltrators
……and he wrote many other important works and articles for the once huge Spotlight newspaper and its successor, American Free Press, and also for the Barnes Review magazine, all of which the late, great Willis Carto started and ran.
For all his personal flaws, Margi and I liked Mike very much -hard not to 😉 — a storytelling, enjoy-life Irish-German-American — and I was in constant contact with him until almost the day he died in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.
I urged him — successfully — to not engage in public infighting and mudslinging with the Willis Carto empire which had employed him and paid him well for 30 years until he was let go over some serious personal friction and insults toward certain staff.
(I will say no more on this; RIP, Mike. Hope you are smoking a good stogie and enjoying a good cognac in the afterlife. 🙂 I felt his presence right after he died — and before I even got the word, via an email from revisionist Michael Hoffman, of his passing at just age 54 from the effects of diabetes, heart disease, overweight and an unsound life style.)
See:
A papal audience hall in Rome with 12,000 seats but without a single cross in it… shaped like a reptile that the believers are inside, and boasting a giant reptile at center stage who rises to rule earth after a nuclear war
https://johndenugent.com/english/glorification-reptiles-paul-vi-papal-audience-hall-rome-rabbi-says-khazars-aliens-book-enoch-some-humans-are-incarnate-demons/
The fact is that the Deep State has a $100 BILLION interplanetary program — run off-the-government-books by US mega-corporations. British hacker Gary McKinnon saw proof — when he hacked NASA — of a US Navy space fleet, even a USSS Roscoe Hillenkoetter [named after the first CIA director] and an actual crew roster including alien names).
This vicious regime also shoots down the benevolent Pleiadians’ craft, partly to get at their technology — and it possesses a fleet of spaceships going to the moon, and Mars, and back, of course.
Watch out if you see one of these triangular-shaped UFOs…
… or these tubelike freighters (as I did in July 1989 in McMinnville, Oregon, a town which was — or is still — also the center of the CIA chemtrailing program for mind control and depopulation which is/was run under the cover name “Evergreen Aviation”):
Meanwhile this REAL “X-Files” regime is withholding the tech it uses daily which could make our earth a happy, wealthy, healthy, peaceful semi-paradise where all races work, each in their own areas, in productive harmony!
After the NY Times articles, I will return with more observations and info.
The following recounts an incident in 2004 that advocates of research into U.F.O.s have said is the kind of event worthy of more investigation, and that was studied by a Pentagon program that investigated U.F.O.s. Experts caution that earthly explanations often exist for such incidents, and that not knowing the explanation does not mean that the event has interstellar origins.
Cmdr. David Fravor and Lt. Cmdr. Jim Slaight were on a routine training mission 100 miles out into the Pacific when the radio in each of their F/A-18F Super Hornets crackled: An operations officer aboard the U.S.S. Princeton, a Navy cruiser, wanted to know if they were carrying weapons.
U.S.S. Princeton
“Two CATM-9s,” Commander Fravor replied, referring to dummy missiles that could not be fired. He had not been expecting any hostile exchanges off the coast of San Diego that November afternoon in 2004.
Commander Fravor, in a recent interview with The New York Times, recalled what happened next. Some of it is captured in a video made public by officials with a Pentagon program that investigated U.F.O.s.
“Well, we’ve got a real-world vector for you,” the radio operator said, according to Commander Fravor. For two weeks, the operator said, the Princeton had been tracking mysterious aircraft.
The objects appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up.
The radio operator instructed Commander Fravor and Commander Slaight, who has given a similar account, to investigate.
The two fighter planes headed toward the objects. The Princeton alerted them as they closed in, but when they arrived at “merge plot” with the object ” naval aviation parlance for being so close that the Princeton could not tell which were the objects and which were the fighter jets ” neither Commander Fravor nor Commander Slaight could see anything at first. There was nothing on their radars, either.
Then, Commander Fravor looked down to the sea. It was calm that day, but the waves were breaking over something that was just below the surface. Whatever it was, it was big enough to cause the sea to churn.
Hovering 50 feet above the churn was an aircraft of some kind ” whitish ” that was around 40 feet long and oval in shape. The craft was jumping around erratically, staying over the wave disturbance but not moving in any specific direction, Commander Fravor said. The disturbance looked like frothy waves and foam, as if the water were boiling.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuSA9o1_vQ
Video: U.S. Military Jets Encounter Unknown Object
A video shows a 2004 encounter near San Diego between two Navy F/A-18F fighter jets and an unknown object. It was released by the Defense Department’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
By Courtesy of U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE on Publish DateDecember 16, 2017. Photo by U.S Department of Defense.
Commander Fravor began a circular descent to get a closer look, but as he got nearer the object began ascending toward him. It was almost as if it were coming to meet him halfway, he said.
Commander Fravor abandoned his slow circular descent and headed straight for the object.
But then the object peeled away. “It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen,” he said in the interview. He was, he said, “pretty weirded out.”
They were en route and closing in when the Princeton radioed again. Radar had again picked up the strange aircraft.
“Sir, you won’t believe it,” the radio operator said, “but that thing is at your cap point.”
“We were at least 40 miles away, and in less than a minute this thing was already at our cap point,” Commander Fravor, who has since retired from the Navy, said in the interview.
By the time the two fighter jets arrived at the rendezvous point, the object had disappeared.
The fighter jets returned to the Nimitz, where everyone on the ship had learned of Commander Fravor’s encounter and was making fun of him.
Commander Fravor’s superiors did not investigate further and he went on with his career, deploying to the Persian Gulf to provide air support to ground troops during the Iraq war. But he does remember what he said that evening to a fellow pilot who asked him what he thought he had seen.
“I have no idea what I saw,” Commander Fravor replied to the pilot. “It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s.”
But, he added, “I want to fly one.”
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Glowing Auras and ˜Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program
WASHINGTON ” In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find.
Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.
[Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html]
For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze.
The Defense Department has never before acknowledged the existence of the program, which it says it shut down in 2012. But its backers say that, while the Pentagon ended funding for the effort at that time, the program remains in existence. For the past five years, they say, officials with the program have continued to investigate episodes brought to them by service members, while also carrying out their other Defense Department duties.
The shadowy program ” parts of it remain classified ” began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid’s, Robert Bigelow, who is currently working with NASA to produce expandable craft for humans to use in space.
On CBS’s “60 Minutes” in May, Mr. Bigelow said he was “absolutely convinced” that aliens exist and that U.F.O.s have visited Earth.
Harry Reid, the former Senate majority leader, has had a longtime interest in space phenomena. Credit Al Drago/The New York Times
Working with Mr. Bigelow’s Las Vegas-based company, the program produced documents that describe sightings of aircraft that seemed to move at very high velocities with no visible signs of propulsion, or that hovered with no apparent means of lift.
Officials with the program have also studied videos of encounters between unknown objects and American military aircraft ” including one released in August of a whitish oval object, about the size of a commercial plane, chased by two Navy F/A-18F fighter jets from the aircraft carrier Nimitz off the coast of San Diego in 2004.
The USS Nimitz has been in service since 1976. I knew the nuclear-engine officer on this ship in the late early 2000s.
Mr. Reid, who retired from Congress this year, said he was proud of the program. “I’m not embarrassed or ashamed or sorry I got this thing going,” Mr. Reid said in a recent interview in Nevada. “I think it’s one of the good things I did in my congressional service. I’ve done something that no one has done before.”
Two other former senators and top members of a defense spending subcommittee ” Ted Stevens, an Alaska Republican, and Daniel K. Inouye, a Hawaii Democrat ” also supported the program. Mr. Stevens died in 2010, and Mr. Inouye in 2012.
While not addressing the merits of the program, Sara Seager, an astrophysicist at M.I.T., cautioned that not knowing the origin of an object does not mean that it is from another planet or galaxy. “When people claim to observe truly unusual phenomena, sometimes it’s worth investigating seriously,” she said. But, she added, “what people sometimes don’t get about science is that we often have phenomena that remain unexplained.”
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuSA9o1_vQ
By Courtesy of U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE 1:16
Video: U.S. Military Jets Encounter Unknown Object. A video shows a 2004 encounter near San Diego between two Navy F/A-18F fighter jets and an unknown object. It was released by the Defense Department’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. By Courtesy of U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE on Publish Date December 16, 2017. Photo by U.S Department of Defense.
[JdN: Now here comes some stinking bull.] James E. Oberg, a former NASA space shuttle engineer and the author of 10 books on spaceflight who often debunks U.F.O. sightings, was also doubtful. “There are plenty of prosaic events and human perceptual traits that can account for these stories,” Mr. Oberg said. “Lots of people are active in the air and don’t want others to know about it. They are happy to lurk unrecognized in the noise, or even to stir it up as camouflage.”
Still, Mr. Oberg said he welcomed research. “There could well be a pearl there,” he said.
In response to questions from The Times, Pentagon officials this month acknowledged the existence of the program, which began as part of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Officials insisted that the effort had ended after five years, in 2012.
“It was determined that there were other, higher priority issues that merited funding, and it was in the best interest of the DoD to make a change,” a Pentagon spokesman, Thomas Crosson, said in an email, referring to the Department of Defense.
But Mr. Elizondo said the only thing that had ended was the effort’s government funding, which dried up in 2012. From then on, Mr. Elizondo said in an interview, he worked with officials from the Navy and the C.I.A. He continued to work out of his Pentagon office until this past October, when he resigned to protest what he characterized as excessive secrecy and internal opposition.
“Why aren’t we spending more time and effort on this issue?” Mr. Elizondo wrote in a resignation letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.
JdN: The Pentagon (I lived a few miles from this sinister, Freemasonic building for 18 years, started on September 11, 1941.)
*** On the wicked Pentagon
Aerial shot from right above
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Pentagon officials say the program ended in 2012, five years after it was created, but the official who led it said that only the government funding had ended then. Credit Charles Dharapak/Associated Press
Mr. Elizondo said that the effort continued and that he had a successor, whom he declined to name.
U.F.O.s have been repeatedly investigated over the decades in the United States, including by the American military. In 1947, the Air Force began a series of studies that investigated more than 12,000 claimed U.F.O. sightings before it was officially ended in 1969. The project, which included a study code-named Project Blue Book, started in 1952, concluded that most sightings involved stars, clouds, conventional aircraft or spy planes, although 701 remained unexplained.
Robert C. Seamans Jr., the secretary of the Air Force at the time, said in a memorandum announcing the end of Project Blue Book that it “no longer can be justified either on the ground of national security or in the interest of science.”
Mr. Reid said his interest in U.F.O.s came from Mr. Bigelow. In 2007, Mr. Reid said in the interview, Mr. Bigelow told him that an official with the Defense Intelligence Agency had approached him wanting to visit Mr. Bigelow’s ranch in Utah, where he conducted research.
Mr. Reid said he met with agency officials shortly after his meeting with Mr. Bigelow and learned that they wanted to start a research program on U.F.O.s. Mr. Reid then summoned Mr. Stevens and Mr. Inouye to a secure room in the Capitol.
“I had talked to John Glenn a number of years before,” Mr. Reid said, referring to the astronaut and former senator from Ohio, who died in 2016.
JdN: President John Kennedy with Marine Korean-War pilot, NASA astronaut and future US Senator John Glenn; the two became close friends until Kennedy was murdered
Mr. Glenn, Mr. Reid said, had told him he thought that the federal government should be looking seriously into U.F.O.s, and should be talking to military service members, particularly pilots, who had reported seeing aircraft they could not identify or explain.
Luis Elizondo, who led the Pentagon effort to investigate U.F.O.s until October. He resigned to protest what he characterized as excessive secrecy and internal opposition to the program. Credit Justin T. Gellerson for The New York Times
The sightings were not often reported up the military’s chain of command, Mr. Reid said, because service members were afraid they would be laughed at or stigmatized.
The meeting with Mr. Stevens and Mr. Inouye, Mr. Reid said, “was one of the easiest meetings I ever had.”
He added, “Ted Stevens said, ˜I’ve been waiting to do this since I was in the Air Force.'” (The Alaska senator had been a pilot in the Army’s air force, flying transport missions over China during World War II.)
During the meeting, Mr. Reid said, Mr. Stevens recounted being tailed by a strange aircraft with no known origin, which he said had followed his plane for miles.
None of the three senators wanted a public debate on the Senate floor about the funding for the program, Mr. Reid said. “This was so-called black money,” he said. “Stevens knows about it, Inouye knows about it. But that was it, and that’s how we wanted it.” Mr. Reid was referring to the Pentagon budget for classified programs.
Robert Bigelow, a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid, received most of the money allocated for the Pentagon program. On CBS’s “60 Minutes” in May, Mr. Bigelow said he was “absolutely convinced” that aliens exist and that U.F.O.s have visited Earth. Credit Isaac Brekken for The New York Times
Contracts obtained by The Times show a congressional appropriation of just under $22 million beginning in late 2008 through 2011. The money was used for management of the program, research and assessments of the threat posed by the objects.
The funding went to Mr. Bigelow’s company, Bigelow Aerospace, which hired subcontractors and solicited research for the program.
Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena. Researchers also studied people who said they had experienced physical effects from encounters with the objects and examined them for any physiological changes. In addition, researchers spoke to military service members who had reported sightings of strange aircraft.
“We’re sort of in the position of what would happen if you gave Leonardo da Vinci a garage-door opener,” said Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor for the program. “First of all, he’d try to figure out what is this plastic stuff. He wouldn’t know anything about the electromagnetic signals involved or its function.”
The program collected video and audio recordings of reported U.F.O. incidents, including footage from a Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet showing an aircraft surrounded by some kind of glowing aura traveling at high speed and rotating as it moves. The Navy pilots can be heard trying to understand what they are seeing. “There’s a whole fleet of them,” one exclaims. Defense officials declined to release the location and date of the incident.
“Internationally, we are the most backward country in the world on this issue,” Mr. Bigelow said in an interview. “Our scientists are scared of being ostracized, and our media is scared of the stigma. China and Russia are much more open and work on this with huge organizations within their countries. Smaller countries like Belgium, France, England and South American countries like Chile are more open, too. They are proactive and willing to discuss this topic, rather than being held back by a juvenile taboo.”
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[JdN: Bull. It is no “juvenile taboo. The US government is treasonously “in bed” with Greys and THEIR masters, Reptilians against the human race!]
JdN: Enslavement or genocide are the only two options the JWO has in mind for the human race on this planet.
The vile “Georgia Guidestones”
Its First Commandment: kill off 6.5 billion people and get the population down to 500 million: work and sex slaves — and a food source for human-carnivorous reptilians.
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By 2009, Mr. Reid decided that the program had made such extraordinary discoveries that he argued for heightened security to protect it. “Much progress has been made with the identification of several highly sensitive, unconventional aerospace-related findings,” Mr. Reid said in a letter to William Lynn III, a deputy defense secretary at the time, requesting that it be designated a “restricted special access program” limited to a few listed officials.
A 2009 Pentagon briefing summary of the program prepared by its director at the time asserted that “what was considered science fiction is now science fact,” and that the United States was incapable of defending itself against some of the technologies discovered.
Mr. Reid’s request for the special designation was denied.
Mr. Elizondo, in his resignation letter of Oct. 4, said there was a need for more serious attention to “the many accounts from the Navy and other services of unusual aerial systems interfering with military weapon platforms and displaying beyond-next-generation capabilities.” He expressed his frustration with the limitations placed on the program, telling Mr. Mattis that “there remains a vital need to ascertain capability and intent of these phenomena for the benefit of the armed forces and the nation.”
Mr. Elizondo has now joined Mr. Puthoff and another former Defense Department official, Christopher K. Mellon, who was a deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence, in a new commercial venture called To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. They are speaking publicly about their efforts as their venture aims to raise money for research into U.F.O.s.
In the interview, Mr. Elizondo said he and his government colleagues had determined that the phenomena they had studied did not seem to originate from any country.
“That fact is not something any government or institution should classify in order to keep secret from the people,” he said.
For his part, Mr. Reid said he did not know where the objects had come from. “If anyone says they have the answers now, they’re fooling themselves,” he said. “We do not know.”
But, he said, “we have to start someplace.”
[End of both NYT articles]
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……Personal comments
I wrote to the comrade who sent me the NYT info:
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John
Yes, maybe.
John
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DOH!
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John:
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Your comment about Michael Collins Piper saying that he was in an elevator with a prominent WN, who “went out of phase” and started showing reptilian facial features – whoa! Are you sure Piper wasn’t just pulling your leg and having fun with you at your expense, knowing that you’re interested in such things? And who was this prominent WN mentioned by Piper? Was it David Duke?
Yes, I am absolutely sure he was not pulling my leg. He was as interested in such things as I am.
Since he is no longer here to defend his anecdote’s veracity, I will leave the person’s identity unnamed.
Well, you already “let the cat out of the bag” by publishing Piper’s anecdote, so why not name the prominent WN he was talking about?
For the reason I just stated. Read English, and stop trying to start wars between me and others that cannot be won at this time. 50% of your posts are attacks on other WNs.
Furthermore, it would only expose ME to ridicule (which I guess is fine with you) if I say whom Piper meant. For how can I prove Piper said it (which he did in confidence), or that Piper was telling me the truth?
Consider this a warning, Osiris. Some of your posts are really good, but others are simply attack-mode. That is not what I am about, attacking other comrades. If they attack me, fine, then I counter-attack, and even then only if it has a chance of doing serious damage. People hate infighting.
The ET stuff is something that I consider, due to just how diabolically the world is being run, but I don’t have any definite reason to believe it. However, when I encounter people constantly who are utterly brainwashed beyond repair, the frustration drives me to consider all options. The definite possibility of controlled opposition agents, some of whom are pretty well exposed, and whom put on such great acts, also makes me wonder.
I saw a freighter of the Greys in July 1989, and once you see it with your own two eyes, then you simply know. It is like knowing how beer tastes or how sex is. Then it is just real, and not from a book.