Swedish patriot interviews Colonel MacGregor, ret. US Army, with the caption in Swedish: “NATO is crazy.”

Note how Bernpaintner badgers MacGregor to ANSWER the one big, burning question he has….

WHO exactly is pushing this unnecessary, horrible (350,000 Ukrainian DEAD), WWIII-risking,
INSANE war?

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MacGregor, in response, does almost clearly hint at it, and actually does kind-of say it — between the lines — antisemitic paleo-con that he deep-down may be…. just like Charles Lindbergh back in WWII, Senator Robert Taft after WWII, Congressman Ron Paul, and the great columnist, author and powerful presidential candidate (1992, 1996 and 2000) Pat Buchanan.

Way back in 1940, US Army general Mosley was warning the Jews were behind getting us into WWII!

What I learned from the cowardly “America First Committee” rejecting the great General Moseley in 1940 for demanding ALL-OUT CONFRONTATION with the Jews

But he never comes right out and says it.….. See below, all the remarks in red.

I have highlighted the key moments when the Swedisgh host urges MacGregor to, IMO (LOL), go Full-Hitler, but nope, MacGregor does not take the bait. 😉

I guess only Hitler can do it — reincarnate — to again go Full-Hitler. 😉

As for Colonel Douglas MacGregor, he is a West Point graduate, tank regiment commander in West Germany in the 1980s (he is also fluent in German, and likes Germany, which always tells you a lot), a combat veteran of the Gulf/Kuweit War, a NATO official and, in the final months in 2020, an advisor to President Donald Trump.

He is, in actuality, just a standard, normal paleo-conservative and  American patriot in the original George Washington mold.

But since men like him are so rare today, he has now become twice the hero for many.

Here he is interviewed by Klaus Bernpaintner of Sweden, who is with Volkungen.se, an anti-woke Swedish website.

My transcript:

0:00
SWEDISH HOST: General McGregor, you are very welcome to the Folkungen podcast where we will talk a little bit about 0:06 Russia, Ukraine, Sweden and NATO 0:11

Are you ready for that?

MACGREGOR: Absolutely.

SWEDISH HOST: 0:17 So first question is….

Who’s really behind this war?

0:25
It’s playing out in the Ukraine, but is it really between Ukraine and 0:31 Russia?

MACGREGOR: Well, that’s a very good question because 0:37 I think you’ve got to go back over 25 plus years to discover the roots of all 0:42 of this.

And, well, it was very obvious, certainly, by the year 2000, that the 0:51 continuous expansion of NATO towards the Russian border would be met with extreme concern; if not 0:58 real hostility by the Russians.

NATO in 1990

NATO in 2022, with Belarus, Sweden and Finland teetering toward joining….

The Ukrainian issue is actually secondary in my judgment or even 1:05 tertiary to the larger matter of

people who seem to be determined to destroy Russia

and that’s a minority of these globalist leaders that we have both in Western Europe and at the moment in Washington.

1:24 “Globalist” is only a partial description.

We also have these people that call themselves “neocons.”
1:30 or neoconservatives.

They’re nothing [of the sort]. There’s nothing conservative about them! And really there’s nothing 1:36 new about them.

They’re internationalists with a global military hegemony agenda.

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1:43
And I think these people hijacked, uh, control of our foreign and defense policy really in the late 80s, early 90s.

This business really got off the ground 1:54 under Reagan. It was there with, uh, President Bush senior, the first President Bush, but it really came to fruition under Clinton.

And there are a couple of things that I don’t think most Europeans understand. And that is at first most Americans are neither interested in nor pay attention to anything that happens beyond their borders.

2:16
When I was at Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (NATO headquarters in Brussels, Belgium) I had a Spanish general-staff officer who summed it up brilliantly.

He said, “Colonel McGregor, there’s no such thing as the United States as a country. The United States is really a planet.”

(location of Ontonagon depicted with the circle)

And there’s much truth in that statement
2:34
So an awful lot of what happens in our foreign and defense policy is of very little interest to the average American. And so he takes on faith whatever his government tells him, which is a very bad habit.

Obviously one would think that we were smarter, but we’re not and so if people tell us, “Well, there’s a dangerous country here, Country X, led by evil dictators or a dictator, and it must be cleansed of dictatorship and converted to the utopia of liberal democracy,” people sort of shrug their shoulders and say, “All right, I guess that’s necessary.”

The lesson of the last 25 or 30 years is if you do not take a thousand casualties in one day, which inevitably wakes up the American
people to what’s going on, and you only take a few casualties every day or maybe a few hundred every month, you’re probably going to be able to get away with whatever you want to do.

So that’s the key lesson.

And part of 3:36 that lesson is that if you can wage war by exploiting someone else’s manpower 3:41, then that’s even better, because that means that someone else is paying the price in blood, not Americans.

Therefore 3:48 whatever you do with money, with equipment, with weapons, once again 3:54 it evokes very little response from the American people.

So part of this is a natural progression to conflict with Russia.

…because Russia demonstrated remarkably to the entire world its ability to rapidly recover from Total Oblivion, if we go back to the 1990s.

Russia was in 4:16 just a horrible, horrible condition and its population was demoralized, its armed 4:22 forces were in ruins, and

the people in the West were quite happy

and large numbers of people from New York City and London, financial types,

went to Russia with a goal of essentially stealing whatever they could 4:35 get out of Russia, stripping it of resources, exploiting it, using it, buying 4:41 up Russian politicians, these oligarchs, and so forth, in order to gain access to the resources in Russia and 4:47 strip them all of this.

This was ended by Vladimir Putin, 4:53, a former KGB agent.

What a lot of people don’t understand is that certainly 4:58 during the Soviet era the people who understood the most about the West and the most about the world beyond Russia’s 5:05 borders were KGB officers, because they were the select few that could actually 5:10
travel.

And Mr Putin was an excellent example of that he did actually spend 5:16 time in the West, He actually was quite pro-German. He speaks excellent German. He 5:21 likes Germany,. and he likes the West.

And that has been frankly a problem for 5:26 him ever since he came to power in Russia,. because there is this long term 5:32 strain in Russian thinking that the West is dangerous, the West is disruptive, it’s 5:37 destabilizing.

***JdN

It’s not the West that is dangerous. It’s not “the West” that is against the Russkies. It’s the jews.

But the colonel is right about this — Joe Sixpack is usually oblivious to foreign affairs.

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But he’s managed Russia surviving all that, and all through the very beginning of this century Mr Putin 5:45 went out of his way to talk with each American president, and with many European leaders expressing his concern 5:51 about avoiding a collision with the West by ensuring that the states on Russia’s 5:57 borders were not members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

All of his pleas — all of his questions –6:05 went unanswered. And ultimately his worst nightmare came to fruition in the 6:10 first glimmer of what was coming came in [former Soviet] Georgia [in 2008], and that was demonstrated very 6:17 conclusively by Putin that that would not be tolerated.

Even then, I don’t think he thought we would do what we’ve done 6:23 in preying on Ukraine. Of course, it is a strange animal because the construct 6:28, this national construct with its borders, bears no resemblance to historic Ukraine 6:34 or to where [the real] Ukrainians live.

And this is a consequence of Border 6:39 changes that have happened dozens of times over the last 100 years, and
6:45 probably 100 times over the last thousand.

*** JdN:  A huge chunk of Ukraine is ethnic Russian, and it was part of Russia. Then in 1922, the savage communist dictator Vladimir Lenin, a quarter Jew and quarter Kalmjuck (East Asian), on his own enlarged Ukraine’s borders in the east to add to Ukraine all these millions of RUSSIANS! All these Ivans and Olgas woke up one day — and now, abracadabra — they found themselves “inside” Ukraine!

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So there’s a there’s great confusion 6:51 about what is really Ukrainian, what isn’t, and ultimately Putin was willing to live 6:56
with this bizarre [Soviet-caused] construct that placed millions of Russians in eastern Ukraine 7:01 and in Crimea for Western control, provided he could get some sort of assurance that 7:07 Ukraine would not become a hostile state to Russia, that Ukraine would not become
7:13 an extension of NATO, and therefore a potential launching pad for operations 7:18 against Russia:  economic, military, political, social and so forth.

7:23 They watched the “color revolutions” run by the National Endowment for Democracy and the CIA in various parts of the
7:30 world. It was very clear to him that that too would pose a threat eventually. That’s what he saw happen in 7:36 Ukraine, but there was never any interest on Putin’s part, and, frankly, no interest in 7:43 Russia in this [supposed] reconstitution of the Soviet Empire.

Far from it, if there is a 7:48 lesson the Russians learned from the Soviet period, it is,

“Look, we don’t want to manage these countries. It’s an 7:55 economic losing proposition for us. Those populations don’t want to be ruled by us.”

In 1953, brave, outraged East Berliners throw rocks at Soviet-Russian tanks near the famous Brandenburg Gate.

8:01 And he’s never had any interest in expanding Russia back into Eastern Europe at the same time he took the 8:07 Russian military and made it much smaller. He made it much better.

He tried to modernize it and had some success in 8:14 that department, but just how small the Russian military was, especially the Army, 8:19 became eminently visible to everyone in February 2022 when those first forces 8:27 that went in[to Ukraine], and there were only about 90,000 [soldiers] that went into eastern Ukraine.

They performed very, very well. They did 8:34 not take heavy casualties. They were not destroyed, and they stopped.

The Ukrainians did 8:39 not obliterate them, but it became very, very clear early on that once there would be no negotiated 8:45 solution because there were no partners in the West that would talk to President 8:51 Putin, and come to some sort of arrangement for peace, that what he had [in terms of the size of the Russian army] was grossly inadequate for operations in 8:59 [Ukraine], a country the size of Texas.

And so the decision was made to go to the Strategic Defense to economize and 9:07 then build up the force, which has now happened.

Today, the Russian military is larger than it’s been, certainly since
9:14 the 1980s, and, frankly, [it is] much more capable, given the various technologies that 9:20 [are] integrated and assimilated into the Russian military. But the notion that there was this quiet,
9:25 devious plan [by Russia] to march west, overrun Finland, overrun Sweden, Poland and Lithuania 9:33 …. [these are] legends. It’s all nonsense.

There was no capability for it, and, frankly, you can’t have it both ways.

You can’t say, “Well, the Russians are incompetent and stupid; they can’t get anything right; their force is too small”… and then a few months 9:45 later “Russia always meant to invade, and wanted to conquer Eastern Europe.”

9:50 It’s a lot of nonsense. It doesn’t hold up to closer scrutiny.

And then finally I think we’re suffering 9:56 from the hangover from the Cold War. For 50 years, if you watched any American 10:01 intelligence, and certainly any English-speaking television, you would see that everyone who was Russian or 10:08 anyone who was “bad” and a spy, or something else, spoke with a 10:13 Russian accent.

And he turned on the television in May every year and watched these massive military parades in Red 10:19 Square. We saw new missiles show up, and and people came to the conclusion, you know, “The Russians are incurably bad.”

And 10:27 even though the Cold War ended, our relations with Russia improved dramatically and part of that I  saw 10:34 them up close, worked with them, and they did great things for us, particularly when we went into Afghanistan initially 10:41 they were very helpful to us.

I don’t think we could have gone in and accomplished anything without the valuable intelligence that 10:48 they put in.

But it didn’t make any difference to the elites in Washington, who were interested 10:54 in the same thing that they had been interested in in the 1990s. And that was how do we get at Russia? How do we strip 11:02 it of its resources? How do we remove the current government and place something there instead that will do our bidding?

11:09 Because that’s effectively what we’ve managed to do wherever we’ve spent anytime. We’ve managed to install leaders 11:16 that were amenable to us, that would cooperate with us…

*** the most evil man ever speaks: The jews don’t really care what form of government a country has as long as it permits them to plunder it!

Hitler skewers the fake democracies with withering sarcasm – a really fantastic video visually as well as in content, and it shows nothing has changed since 1940, except to get much worse. 

Here is an example of jewish media power. Washington DC had two big newspapers, the Washington Post (moderate-left) and the Washington Star (moderate-right).

During the Depression the jew Eugene Meyer bough the Post up cheap.

Then he got on the phone (and so did his rabbi, no doubt) to all the big department-store jews (like Hecht’s, for example) and to the jew car dealerships to get them to switch all their display ads from the Star to the Post.

The Star began to hemorrhage money.

It had to lay off seasoned reporters. Its quality declined — and the jew-infested, libtard Post became THE newspaper in DC. (I lived for 18 years in DC.)

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And NATO itself, which 11:22 was originally designed to be a purely defensive alliance, was transformed in the 1990s into this offensive instrument 11:29.

And we dragged our European allies, kicking and screaming, in whatever direction we chose to move. And that was 11:37 very obvious and Bosnia-Herzegovina and then subsequently in Kosovo, subsequently in Afghanistan, and then Iraq, and 11:44 ultimately even in Syria and finally Libya.

So all of these places have been 11:49 subject to this enormous pressure that comes from the United States through NATO. And part of that is because 11:55 obviously Europeans have almost no military power.

They’ve largely disbanded their 12:02 dismantled their own capability become entirely dependent upon us when I was at 12:07 Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, one of the things that became very clear was that everything relating 12:13 to command, control, computers, communications, electronics 12:18, intelligence, surveillancem reconnaissance — all the space-based and sea-based assets — everything was American.

12:26 And European forces, even if they decided collectively, “Well, we don’t want the 12:31 Americans here, and we’re all going to cooperate,” they had nothing with which to command, control, and operate their own 12:38 forces.

So this put the Europeans in a difficult position, because clearly the European 12:44 elites were not interested in spending any money on their own defense. And so they couldn’t possibly turn 12:49 around to their populations with these very expensive and luxurious welfare systems, with declining workforces, that 12:58 only work eight hours or not even eight hours a day, or only six hours a day, or only 30 hours a week and so forth.

How do 13:05 you turn to those electorates and say, “Well, I’m sorry. We’re going to have to cut back on all these luxurious vacation 13:10
times, all these holidays, and we’re going to have to build up our own military capability, because it’s going to take 13:16, you know, at least billions and billions hundreds of billions of dollars in order for us to have the constellations in 13:23 space, the command and control structure, in order to operate on our own.

Nobody wanted to do it so they decided, well, 13:30 we’ll just go along with the Americans, and we’ll try to limit the damage that we do to ourselves.

So 13:37 the Americans end up doing all this to us. Well, this is no longer possible. You can’t limit it, because the United States has
13:43 dragged Europe right into the combat zone in Ukraine and made it very clear 13:49 that we expect Europeans to support this war in Ukraine to the last Ukrainian.

In 13:55 fact, behind the scenes, I think there’s been a great deal of pressure to try and get Europeans to provide troops. provide 14:02
air forces, provide navies, to also fight against the Russians on the conventional level.

I don’t think that’s been very 14:08 successful, but no doubt it has happened. So this brings us to the point where we 14:13 are now, and Ukraine is about finished. There’s not much left. I don’t think they have much manpower 14:19 left. Their press gangs are operating in the Far West trying to drag Ukrainians in the Far West, and Hungarians that live 14:27 on Ukrainian soil, for instance, into the Ukrainian Army.

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Obviously there’s not much enthusiasm. At least 12 million 14:35
people have left Ukraine. Large numbers of single men are continuing to leave. There are trains in 14:41 Germany every day carrying refugees, and there are huge numbers of single young 14:46 men, and inside Ukraine itself we now see that some of these press gangs trying to drag people into the Ukrainian Army are 14:53 being pelted with stones and, in some cases, fired on.

We also know that for the first time in 15:00 in great numbers Ukrainian forces are seeing desertions, but most of these desertions are not simply individuals 15:06. They are platoons and companies, and most recently a Ukrainian commander who had a 15:14
company and a very, very badly wounded group of people in the company made 15:19 direct contact with the Russians, because he said he could not get the the wounded evacuated.

The Ukrainian military would 15:27 not come and get them. And he said “either we sit here and die or we surrender. I’ve 15:32 decided to surrender.”

And remember that most of the forces you’re talking about are speaking Russian on both sides and 15:39 there isn’t very much difference between them.

And the Russians very intelligently have always treated Ukrainian soldiers 15:46 very carefully, with great respect. So the Ukrainians know they’re not going to be harmed 15:51 and, as a result, things are just continuing to accelerate in a downward spiral.

And against this backdrop we see 15:59 all sorts of incredible threats and claims of success and victory coming out of Kyif/Kiev 16:04 now.

I don’t know what the news in Sweden says, I know the news is not very helpful in places like France and Germany. In the 16:12 Netherlands, the truth is not popular, but I hope that the Swedes could somehow 16:17 or another disengage from their television sets to the mainstream media and begin to think carefully about this because 16:24 there are no measures taken by Russia in terms of invading the West and there’s no real 16:29 reason why the Swedes should become part of an alliance that is unambiguously offensive and committed to Russia’s 16:36 destruction.

SWEDISH HOST: Well, there’s some there’s some head-scratching going on here, with people are 16:42 trying to understand why this war is still going on, and why hasn’t hasn’t Ukraine won already?

Because 16:48 that’s we’ve been told from the beginning, that, you know, Russia is converting fridges to 16:54 bombs, and they’re buying breast-milk pumps, smuggling them in via Georgia to use the 17:02 electronics for missiles and they’re running out of everything, and, yeah, you know.

But 17:08 it’s hard to hide the truth forever, so people are starting to wonder what’s 17:13 really going on there.

But, yeah, I also think there’s this historical backdrop.

MACGREGOR: You know, I mean, we 17:20 can go back to 1709 and the failure of [King] Charles XII in the Battle of 17:26 Poltava, which many of us in the West regret; but he overreached, put himself in 17:31 a terrible position, and lost and the outcome was the Treaty of Narva in 1720. There weren’t very many people 17:37 living in the Baltic littoral who were happy to join the Russian Empire, but I would argue that the tsarist 17:44 empire of that era, whatever its faults, was vastly more humane and vastly more 17:52 positive as a force in Eastern Europe than the Soviets that followed them.

And 17:57 I would argue that today’s Russia has much more in common in terms of its values and thinking with the culture and 18:05 the mentality of zarus Russia than it does with the Soviet Union.

I don’t see any real connection anymore between the 18:12 Soviet side and modern Russia.

So I would simply see Putin in many ways as a 8:19 contemporary equivalent of a czar, just as I regard President XI in China as a
18:26 de facto emperor, and people don’t seem to understand that the government in China and the structure of that 18:32 government and the way things are running is something the Chinese are comfortable with.

I also think people 18:38 don’t understand that, for the most part, Russians are quite comfortable with what exists today in Russia.

Now, that doesn’t 18:44 mean that there is not pressure inside Russia for what I would call more democratization. I think there is, and I
18:52 think we’ve already seen that on the battlefield.

One of the most interesting aspects of this whole business of 18:57
democratization in Russia is the instance of Russian 19:02 soldiers going to their own media and essentially saying,

“Look, we’re being 19:09 commanded by an idiot. This general who took us into a slaughter operation is a fool. Someone needs 19:15 to get rid of him or we’re going to get more people killed unnecessarily.”

Well, wonder of wonders, Putin listened, and that 19:23 man was removed. Russian soldiers do have a voice Russian soldiers are thinking people. 19:30 They are not the slave army of 1944 and ’45 being driven into machine guns and 19:36 artillery fire at great cost [in lives]. Nothing could be further from the truth, and Putin and his generals have been very 19:43 economical with their soldiers’ lives, very concerned about minimizing losses.

19:49 So I think Russia is fundamentally different, and I would ask everybody in Sweden to begin looking at Russia 19:55 differently. And this is not to say Russia is a utopian state, or that everyone should emulate it. What I’m saying is that 20:02 what what you have today in Russia is imperfect, just as what we have in the United States is imperfect, but it works 20:10 for the Russians.

And Putin is not some sort of evil incarnate character. If 20:16
anything, he’s done Russia great service, particularly in suppressing much of the 20:22 corruption that has been choking Russia now for years and eliminating many of 20:27 the worst oligarchs that were doing the most damage to the Russian people. And once the war is over, I think one of 20:35 the results of this war will be a more democratized, open Russia, because I think 20:40 the soldiers returning from the battlefield demanded this, because that’s what we see evidence for on the battlefield 20:46 with the Russian army.

SWEDISH host:

Is there something else behind these 20:53 warmongers? Is it just a matter of resources, or do we have some 20:59 values, culture, or religion driving this? 21:05

Some innate hatred for Russia

for some reason?

Rabbi Michael Laitman of both Moscow and Tel Aviv

MacGregor:

Well, in some cases, these people are 21:11 descended from, from families that, obviously,

have a history of hatred 21:17 or hostility towards Russians.

There’s no question about that.

This is just the jews who are working at the Biden White House!!!!! And the Vice-President’s husband is a jew, too.

 

*** Putin with jews, smiling, saying nothing antisemitic, but not trusting them, and it is vice versa

In 2007 Putin decorated Alexander Solzhenitsyn with the highest medal of the Russian Federation DESPITE HIS VERY ANTISEMITIC BOOK TWO HUNDRED YEARS TOGETHER. 

Putin remains very close, publicly and privately, to his old elementary-school German teacher

Putin on the [jewish] oligarch billionaires who are inciting war from their gold-plated condos in London, Paris, New York and their yachts in Monaco  

Putin met with jew leaders in 2016, who stared at him stony-faced.

Putin with Satanyahu:

At the opening of a Jewish museum in Moscow, Putin reminded, or perhaps warned, the leaders of Russian jewry:

Putin had leaflets dropped on Syria blaming Israel directly for ISIS and its atrocities:

And he is collaborating closely with Syria and Iran, which are open enemies of Israel, and have no diplomatic relations with it.

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MacGREGOR but I don’t think that’s the complete 21:22 explanation. I think that we’re dealing with ideologues who became convinced in
21:28 the aftermath of the Cold War that the United States should not only employ its military 21:35 power in order to “democratize the world” 21:41 but that that military power, combined with our financial system, should be employed to dominate the world.

21:48 In other words, we began after 1992 to do what this 21:55
empire [which empire, the British?] did after 1815, and the destruction of Napoleon and France. And 22:01 that was to seek out new frontiers of insecurity.

Suddenly places that were historically 22:08 of no interest became important.

Suddenly, places that were always 22:15 peaceful were suddenly conflicted.

And wherever we saw conflict, wherever we saw 22:20 a crisis, wherever we saw resources and opportunities for profit
22:26, I think there was a tendency to expand these frontiers of insecurity.

I mean, I could not imagine 22:32 30- 40 years ago anyone suggesting for a second that Pakistan is a place of vital 22:39 strategic interest in the United States, but the same people who want desperately to destroy Russia to make Ukraine this 22:48 vassal state of greater American military and political power and 22:53 economic power, they are also the ones who are now suddenly saying well we need to look 22:58 carefully at Pakistan.

We may have to intervene there.

Well, that’s lunacy! Why would we do such a thing?

But then 23:05 again, the notion that we should be involved in anything that happens in eastern Ukraine is lunacy. We have no
23:12 real strategic interests other than peace. That’s the one interest that we 23:17 have in eastern Ukraine, because we understand it historically.

At any rate, to this point every president certainly did up until 23:24, clearly, I would say, until Bush Junior — and then, ultimately, Obama and his successor 23:32, now Biden.

Trump was the exception.

Obviously, they began to think in 23:37 terms of “anything that happens anywhere in the world must involve us. It’s in our interest to be involved everywhere.”

In 23:45 fact, Donald Trump said “No, it is not in our interest to be involved everywhere,” and he’s one of these people that 23:50 understood that for thousands of years the world existed without us!

And however much we think we’re 23:56 important, and however much we love our own country, we’re not necessarily vital to everybody 24:01 else on the planet, and they can make good decisions or bad decisions on their own.

But right now, the leadership in 24:08 Washington does not share that viewpoint.

SWEDISH HOST:  Oh, 24:14 how long can the U.S go on being the world’s policeman, or should I say “bully”?

MACGREGOR 24:20 I usually answer that by asking “When did the British leave India?” And the answer is,

“The British decide to 24:27 leave India in 1947 when their debt-to-GDP ratio was 240 percent.”

24:34 In other words, they were effectively broke. They couldn’t sustain themselves anymore; they couldn’t afford it. India, 24:41 “the jewel in the crown” [of the British empire], if you will, was more of a liability than an asset.

And they fought the entire Second World War 24:48 not so much to defeat Germany but to preserve their so-called Empire and [world] influence.

And [yet] ultimately they lost 24:54 everything. They ran themselves into bankruptcy, and they won nothing as a consequence.

I think we’re nearing that 25:01 point [as Americans] because what could we possibly win in a war in Eurasia?

And the answer is 25:08 nothing.

I mean, Eisenhower, when he was president, ended the war in Koream, but before the 25:14 war in Korea ended, there were [Pentagon] plans to put 800,000 U.S troops on the Korean
25:19 Peninsula, and [then] to march into Manchuria.

And Eisenhower looked at these plans and 25:24 said

“Whoever put these together should have their heads examined! This is insane! The American people have no interest in 25:31 waging war in China!”

Well, he was right. He ended the war.

We 25:37 had no real interest in waging war in Southeast Asia [= Vietnam] either.

 

I don’t see any evidence for any 25:42 interest in going to war with China, or anywhere. In contrast, I think it would be catastrophic for both parties 25:49, but there’s a certain tendency among these people to be drunk on power and 25:55 completely arrogant and ignorant, because the people making all these decisions know nothing nothing about Eastern 26:03 Europe, nothing about Russia, and nothing about Ukraine.

*** the most arrogant people on earth, “God’s Chosen People”

 

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You know, it’s so sad, and 6:08 tragic that people that know so little exercise so much power and authority. But that’s the case, and I  leave it to you 26:15 to tell me how you think the Europeans see things.

I used to have greater faith in the Europeans, because they lived
26:22 closer to reality, but today I’m beginning to wonder what’s happened? Where are the old elites that understood 26:27 all the problems that had led to the world wars, and who were determined to avoid those?

And we’re very focused on 26:35 arrangements that could be reached that would avoid conflict. I keep waiting for them, particularly in Berlin, but haven’t seen 26:42 any.

I think they [true elites] were destroyed in the first world war, the Great War, most of them.

SWEDISH HOST: 26:48 What would you say, at what capacity is the Russian military 27:00 performing right now, and why aren’t they running 100% and just finishing this business?

MACGREGOR 27:07  from the very beginning; I think that Vladimir Putin has wanted to avoid a 27:12 direct confrontation with the United States and NATO. Aand he understands that the decision
27:18 makers are really in Washington, and to a lesser extent in  London 27:24

*** Lord Rothschild bathed his mansion outside London in the Ukrainian colors as soon as the war broke out in February 2022

With his lackey, Boris Johnson

His brothee Evelyn poking the then Prince of Wales in the chest

Lord Rothschild before a painting of Satan with the infamous Serbian-Jewish painter Abramovich, who glorifies cannibalism

***

And [Putin has] wanted to make sure that Russian forces and U.S forces and other 27:30 NATO forces do not collide directly.

Therefore he has moved very cautiously 27:36 and very deliberately.

He was concerned, I think, from the very beginning that if he launched a major 27:43 offensive, not only would it be unnecessarily destructive to Ukraine and to the people living there, but it would
27:50 also frighten Europeans and frighten the United States into thinking that he is 27:55 something he’s not, and that the Russians are something [aggressive that] they are not.

They are not interested in a war with the West 28:01. I keep telling people, “If anything, they want desperately to do business with the West.” I have many friends in the private 28:08 sector, and many of them were actually in Russia, working on major business deals
28:14 when this war began, and [then] we began this process of condemning Russia. And when 28:20 the meetings broke up, all of the Russians sitting across from their American counterparts said, “Look,
28:25 let’s hope this is over quickly, so that we can get back to business.”

And I think that’s been [Putin’s] hope from 28:32 the beginning.

And then the last thing, and this is something we Americans don’t understand at all, is I think Putin wants Russians to be able
28:40 to live with Ukrainians and other Europeans after the war is over 28:46. In other words, he doesn’t want to be dragged into a situation where so much blood is spilled, so much destruction is
28:53 unleashed, that people for years after the conflict find it impossible to 28:58 cooperate, impossible to do business with each other.

We [Americans], on the other hand, seem 9:03 absolutely determined to permanently poison the waters with Russia, with China 29:09,
with anybody who supports Russia or is sympathetic to Russia.

I think that’s 29:14 catastrophic for our interests, but our interests are not his. They’re very different, and that’s part of the problem
29:19 right now. And Putin has taken a long time to discover that at least for the moment 29:25 there is no one for him to talk to, and this leads to the major question.

The Russian forces are performing, I 29:32 would argue, brilliantly at this point. Everything that the Russians have been talking about in military affairs for 29:38 several decades is coming to fruition: this ISR strike intelligence 29:44 surveillance; reconnaissance and strike Network that was first mentioned in the 29:49 1970s by Ogarkov and his general staff, well, that’s now finally becoming a 29:55 reality, and it’s very effective. They’re learning how to integrate their maneuver
30:00 forces and logistics within this larger strike complex, such that they are inflicting casualties 30:08 of a rate of one to ten or one to eight [= ratio of Russian to Ukrainian casualties] and, within a sphere of relatives, the 30:15 invulnerability provided by their own ISR and strike assets so whatever they 30:21 do they will move within that framework.

But I think the question is what can we 30:27 reasonably expect if we continue on this road [of conflict]?

And I don’t think they’ve decided in Moscow. I think there’s one party that 30:34 says “The longer we wait to finish this, the weaker we appear to people in the West. This leads the West to reach stupid
30:42 conclusions, and potentially to take stupid actions, and intervene in Western 30:48 Ukraine.”

The other party says, “Well, things are actually moving in our direction. 30:54 Europe’s economies are falling apart. Germany is being systematically 31:00 de-industrialized.”

This is something the Russians never wanted and that’s harming the EU, and harming Europe at large.

“The 31:07 populations, the electorates on the Continent, are turning against any notion of war with Russia. So perhaps we should 31:15 wait a little longer, and then the broader atmosphere will change to our advantage.”

So those are the two 31:22 sides, and I’m not sure which one is going to win. But I think there’s a lot 31:27 of strength right now behind the first party, and I think Progozhin [of the Wagner group], for instance, represented that viewpoint. And there are 31:34 many people in Moscow that share that attitude, that enough is enough, stop the nonsense, put this [war] to bed to 31:41, destroy this regime in Kiev, because if you don’t, the Americans and their allies 31:47 will keep coming back and pouring more aid, more cash, more equipment and more 31:52 weapons into this disaster.

SWEDISH HOST: Final question, and we have four minutes.
31:57 What will, after 200 years of peace 32:03 and non-alliance, and a strong consensus of not joining 32:09 NATO, Swedish politicians  bought by globalists just overnight 32:15 change their stance and applied for NATO membership, 32:21 and I think this is a has a lot of support even though there was no referendum 32:26 because of the constant propaganda and the Cold War mentality that’s still 32:33
strong. What will a NATO membership mean for Sweden?

32:39 Will we become more safe? Will we get free defense from the US?

MACGREGOR: Well, my first question 32:46 to the Swedes would be the following: Has neutrality harmed Sweden? 32:54 I think that’s the number-one question before you leap into a military alliance 33:00
with powers on the Continent.

Has your neutrality harmed you? I don’t 33:06 think it has. I think the Swedes are viewed as having been very smart to have 33:12 distanced themselves from the forces that led to the two most destructive
33:17 wars in world history.

So, in that sense, I can’t imagine any benefit to 33:23 abandoning neutrality.

I would say the same thing to the Finns.

My second question is, “If you are convinced that 33:30 Russia is a threat, where are the Russian armies mobilizing on the borders with Finland? Where are the 33:38 Russian air rorces building up in Northern Russia for an imminent attack on Finland and Sweden?

Oh, I don’t see it 33:46. What what is it, specifically, that the swedes are convinced will be done to 33:52 them if they don’t join this increasingly divided, and I would argue 33:59 dying alliance called NATO.

I think NATO is in a lot of trouble, and then, when you 34:04 go behind the lines, you’ve got plenty of military people at the top in NATO that fall into one of two categories.

Category 34:10 One: they all want to be promoted and want to be advanced, and so they tell the politicians whatever the politicians
34:16 want to hear. That’s most of what we have.

But then you also have a lot of competent professional soldiers who are 34:22 saying “Have you all lost your minds? We don’t have the forces. We don’t have the 34:28 ammunition. We don’t have the equipment!”

It goes back to what I said before. We don’t have the command and control to do 34:35 much. Why, now, would you pick this time to turn Russia into an implacable enemy?

34:41 Because that’s effectively what you’re doing. You’re signaling to them that the last 30 years are meaningless. We don’t 34:48 care what you’ve done [like withdrawing from Eastern Europe, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc.]. You’re evil, and we’re against you.”

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If you expect the Russians to put all of 34:54 this aside, and come to you with peace in hand, you’re crazy.

So I think the very thing that everyone [in the West] 35:00 said they did not want, which is a larger, more powerful military 35:05, a militarized Russia, that’s exactly what you’re getting now, thanks to Washington 35:10 and its sidekick in London.

***’ JdN: Putin in December 2020 to Russian officers:

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Is that really what you want? In other words, you’ve created the
35:16 incentive structure. Now you’ve said

“We’re all your enemy. Everyone is an enemy.” And even, you know, they add this list 35:23 of impossible demands.

“Putin must commit suicide at noon on Tuesday in 35:31 Red Square. If he does that, well, then, we may talk. Oh, by the way, all Russian 35:37 forces, wherever they are today and in Ukraine, must all lay down their arms, and sort of skip back into Russia.”

That’s all 35:44 nonsense. It doesn’t take reality into consideration. Nobody — nobody — would have 35:50 done that in the 19th century — Disraeli, Bismarck, Gorsuchoff — none of the 35:56 men who were thoughtful in those eras would have made any kind of demand like that. What they would have done 36:02 is look at the situation and make the best arrangements they could, understanding that perhaps
36:08 in another 10 years or 20 years there  would have to be more adjustments, but the preeminent goal would be peace.

36:15 End the fighting, the killing, the dying, and the destruction. And let’s look 36:20 for some satisfactory outcome that everybody can live with.

It may not be perfect; it may not be permanent; but 36:27 let’s get in there, and stop what’s happening.

There doesn’t seem to be any interest in that. Why would Sweden 36:33, whose neutrality has actually been a model for much of the world, now want to 36:38 rush and join NATO?

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