German WW II officer in the Navy with his wife and little son
[Commenting on a pro-MGTOW article] It’s the usual MGTOW talk again, even if the writer admits that MGTOW is Jewish by design. And then he asks what other choice there is!
Of course – there are more than enough other options.
If you give yourself the MGTOW label, you might as well tattoo “loser” right on your forehead.
The main things that bother me about these views are:
1. Other men, they imply, are all kind and understanding towards you because they are men too. Are they serious?
I despise losers. I have no sympathy for them. I’m not talking about injustices that are really not our fault. I’m talking about all the wimps who keep saying they’re “nice guys” and therefore in the “friend zone”…. and all those who spread their tear-jerking stories on the Net.
Why should I care? I was taught: Focus on the good, not the bad. And that’s how everyone should be.
2. MGTOW is ultimately feminism for men, feminism in reverse, even if they don’t want to admit it. They generalize shamelessly about the whole opposite sex.
Feminism, for me, is the mindset for unsuccessful women and MGTOW is the same for unsuccessful men. I mean here “success in marriage and raising a family,” not in terms of career.
For example, the attractive blonde Reese Witherspoon describes herself as a feminist. For what reason? She has enough money and had an equally attractive daughter with Ryan Phillippe – with whom she no longer goes. Unfortunately, the girl is screwed up. She describes herself as “pansexual.” So something must have gone wrong in the family and in her upbringing. So: once again, weakness of character.
Now to the individual arguments.
This MGTOWer complains that women today are of low quality. And what about the men? What about him? I would say humanity has generally evolved for the worse — in both genders. So why should a trashy man (to put it frankly) expect to get a good wife? (And the reverse is true, of course.) All those whiny “nice guys” aren’t good matches; they’re wimpy, effeminate losers.
Why not get married if you really want to? Yes, marriage is certainly often a problem in western societies, but on the other hand it’s not as if there were no happy marriages.
Usually only the lawyers benefit from divorce. No decent woman would dream of divorcing for financial enrichment. All of these tear-jerking stories from MGTOWers shed light only on their viewpoint.
But you have to hear both sides.
It is also wrong that women today can get away with anything with impunity. The MGTOWs always claim that, but they owe us concrete evidence. I certainly don’t count news reports that are taken out of context as proof of anything.
The keyword “hypergamy” is also such nonsense. And who is “marrying up?” We don’t have a caste system. And why would any really smart man want to marry a stupid woman? Just because she is “submissive”?
Again, you make the mistake of only looking at income. Apart from the fact that I know many couples where both earn about the same, MGTOws show here their wrong and materialistic point of view like the cultural Marxists. That women work is a recent phenomenon and even more the fact that they HAVE to go out to work. In many countries you just cannot afford the cost of living any longer on one income.
If 300 years ago the woman married a man who was likely to be a good provider, it was simply because it is the valid, traditional family model. She does the housework; he goes out and works!
S much MGTOW verbiage comes from sociology, one of those “sciences” that also helps to underpin cultural Marxism. And the alleged “red pills” seriously use sociology as evidence?
The thing about women getting preferential treatment is also pure imagination. He writes as if that were generally the case. If good-natured people let themselves be taken advantage of, it works in all directions. Some just have to learn the hard way. If you can’t say “no” or haven’t learned how to get and then keep real friends, it’s your own fault.
You either understand it at some point or you don’t. And why get all hot and bothered with “princess monsters”? When you realize that a woman is trashy, you pull the ripcord, period.
And I don’t know of any woman who thinks mass immigration is a good thing. It’s always been a do-gooder group, which isn’t gender specific. This is simply pure misogyny on parade via mindless generalizing.
That “how could you seriously get involved with a woman?” mentality is also misogynistic. Anyone who falls for this mental poison doesn’t deserve a woman anyway, or to land a trashy one.
I know the mentality of these MGTOWs. I had a good friend who unfortunately fell into this trap. He also brayed all these phrases of self-pity. But how about some self-reflection? Nope, zero taking a hard look at himself.
I’ll tell you what the main problem is: These men mostly surround themselves with junky women.
Why? Because the good women out there don’t want anything to do with them.
And because they never learned to look for the right kind. My former buddy made quite a few attempts to attract a mate, but they all failed. There was an article “24 signs she is a slut” on “Return of Kings.” Luckily this one was saved: https://en.scribd.com/document/411159068/24-Signs-Shes-a-Slut
All of his failed conquests have met at least one of these criteria. One chick had pink hair and at 25 was the mother of a ten-year-old child.
Another already had a child and had piercings. And even trashy women gave him the heave-ho. Why? Because he is absolutely insecure. And because he has a hygiene problem!
I said to him, actually in a kind way: Man, finally do something about it. I mean well for you!
But he mostly got angry with me.
Rarely did he admit that I was right. But even then “please don’t interfere in my life.” Well, at some point I said:
“If you keep going like this, it will end badly for you. And then don’t expect me to listen to your sob stories if you don’t want any advice from me.”
He works in a rather low-income job, but that’s not the main problem. Others in the area who have little also have families. So it must be something else.
Today I only see (despite breaking off contact, I hear things) that he almost only plays on the computer, talks to other MGTOWs for hours, and feels confirmed by it — the other losers tell him he did nothing wrong…..
Another problem these people have is that they don’t see women as women per se – as mothers and wives. But rather as buddies with breasts.
But that’s exactly what good women are NOT!
That’s why these people only attract those screwed up women who act manly (and tell a lot of vulgar jokes), who constantly want to be the center of attention, and all that. What they fail to understand is that these shallow wives are NOT “wife material” (but they are no “husband material” either!)
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JdN: How unimaginably different the world of the 1950s must appear to today’s white youth, who have become degenerate under the mental regime of the jews.
In the Eisenhower-Adenauer-De Gaulle era, all men who were willing to work found work, which was usually also reasonably remunerated thanks to the powerful trade unions. Also, almost all men were ex-soldiers due to the universal conscription back then, serving in a military where manliness, accuracy, clarity, and respect were core virtues — and lame excuses, obesity, and sloppiness were unacceptable. “Pull yourself together!” was the supreme rule of life.
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A self-proclaimed MGTOW guru, with whom my friend is in contact, is reluctant to post any photos of himself online. Yes, and that is understandable if you saw him! This guru wannabe is quite an overweight dude.
But my then friend communicated with him, and was soon pretending that an important figure in contemporary history had befriended him… .
Instead of giving wrong advice on the net, he should go out and get involved in exercise and sports! Then he might actually find and keep a nice woman!
In general, the MGTOW advocates prefer to attack real masculine and feminine role models instead of looking at their own selves critically. That was often the case on “Return of Kings” when the site was still up. Anyone who gave tips to break out of the hamster wheel was immediately attacked. Because according to MGTOW-thinking, a sporty body is something for “fotzenknecht”.
All the talk about the “Manosphere” is silly anyway. This “Manosphere” is an imaginary association of the “Red Pillers”; of MGTOWers; of pick-up artists [= PUAs]; and other people – on the one hand, a group likes to be hostile to others (MGTOWs hate PUAs because they sometimes have sex).On the other hand, they always start crying and conjure up the “Manosphere” when the hostility is reciprocated.
MGTOW is the most pathetic of all the “Manosphere” groups.
Which is why you need the Jewess Esther Vilar…we don’t need all the gossips from this area (she doesn’t even see herself as an anti-feminist!), but real role models. The best thing against NWO propaganda is to ignore it completely and treat its protagonists with contempt. That’s the best way to fight them.
I’ll tell you in a good way:
Yes, you MUST make changes. Even if you see change as something that is “pussy-slave” behavior. NO! Otherwise you will die lonely and alone. Your “Manosphere Friends” will too. Such a damaged pseudo-community cannot even help itself.
I say it as I see it:
If you don’t want a woman – ok. Then keep it to yourself. And don’t babble about it all the time.
But those who constantly spread this false ideology must be fought, as well as other cultural Marxists and those who behave in a harmful way.
In this respect there are only three options:
1. Hold your tongue and stop whining if youi refuse to change.
2. Better yet: turn away from your wrong path.
3. If you don’t want to remain silent, at some point you will feel the wrath of us, the enemies of cultural Marxism, during the Great Turnaround that is coming. And I guarantee you I won’t hold back!
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“Here you see dangerous right-wing extremists in their territory”
I don’t agree with what your friend said, because what he’s saying is essentially what all feminists say: that women are always good and right, and men are always bad and wrong, and that everything is always the man’s fault. Sorry, but no. I’m not a MGTOWer, and I don’t follow that stuff at all, but I know from experience what a disaster modern women (and men) are. Stupid, tattooed sluts and losers who deserve each other. And these are the people having 90% of the babies in this world, so the cycle just continues. Where can one find good, quality women? I’d like to know, because I haven’t seen any.
Have you really read my text?
Or are you just making things up?
I never said “all women are good”. If you have read it you would have seen that I pounted out enough of the sluts!
You admit yourself that men AND women today are often usually garbage. So why distorting that?
Fortunately you are also wrong on the babies, because these men will usually not sire any offspring and the chicks will usually not have some because their career is more important to them or they wait for the “right man” until they are shriveled old hags.
If you don´t can find good women either it´s you or you should move.
Feminism is undoubtedly garbage, but so is MGTOW. Just because MGTOW says it opposes feminism doesn´t make it right. It´s like trying to cure caries with knocking ones teeth out.
I witnessed first-hand how this MGTOW BS can delude people. Instead of improving their lives they waste their time with hour-long bitching in videos or phone conferences with other men. My former buddy even was into a talk round where some butt-ugly arab immigrant was whining that he doesn´t get a girlfriend(well, if even the leftist sluts avoid him…).
BTW the text was a reply to some older comment on this blog.
JdN translated it for new posts. But even without the context it should be clear.
Hello, with all respect, do you not know in-depth about all what’s going on? Men from all different backgrounds and economic status are all saying the same thing about modern women nowadays.
Modern women are sleeping around more than ever, and have more choices than ever and less accountability than ever, etc…
We are living in a terrible culture that is getting worse and worse with no end or hope in sight.
True but there IS a hope, a new religious and moral movement among Whites, radically pro-white-family, and I am the one creating it. 🙂
It is not doubted that modern women are often sluts.
But what is the main issue? It is – hubris. In both sexes. For every female slut there is also some male jerk.
Look at social media. So many people think they are “beautiful”, “handsome”; and that they are “special” and “empowered”. Then you see tattooed trash (again: of both sexes) with a smug look on their faces.
In real life, this easily breaks down. Because real demands are others than catering to sycophant followers in the Net.
I´m not for bullying people, but being fat (women, but not only them) or looking like a scrawny, androgynous faggot, is not “beautiful”.
Really, selfies are so silly. I always cringe when I see someone taking a selfie picture, like a chimpanzee holding a device far above his understanding in his hands.
No offense to chimps, btw, who usually have more dignity than these arrogant humans.
I´m not against having pictures taken of oneself – no. But then I ask a friend or family member to hold the camera. Of course, that means I must actually have some friends. 😉
It´s very symbolic with these selfies. It´s all about “me, me, me”.
Social media caters to these dumb, narcissistic people. And who owns the biggest social media platforms? Yeah – jews.
People must re-learn to talk to each other in real-life about their problems. Until then, they will fall easily for traps like “online friends” and the women-bashing MGTOW.
Great comment and thanks.
This whole planet is full of bad-karma people. And great teachers like Buddha, Socrates, Jesus, and now the Germans Eckhart Tolle and Hans Wilhelm have said it.
This wonderful planet could be heaven but it stays stuck in hell,because people egotistically believe whatever they want to.
So the fall of the Third Reich was to be expected.
Good to hear, John.
What’s crazy too, I thought, was I found a white-nationalist girlfriend, but she literally cheated on me with another man in the movement (and he probably seduced her knowing she had a boyfriend) and she was keeping it a secret from the both of us until I researched and found out.
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You can’t even trust people in this movement, which is really heart-breaking.
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Whites are supposed to know about the jew and their destruction of white countries, morality, and culture — yet some are engaging in this immorality.
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I don’t understand what’s so difficult about being a good person and having morals.
Maybe they aren’t good persons?
Jesus made the point once that there is no moral merit in hating a dangerous enemy.
There is no love involved toward one’s own people in hating another group, be they ngrs, jews, hispanics, Chinese, muslims, militant trans/LGBTQ, or pedos.
Since 1978 I have met — and been a victim of — many WNs who were simply haters.