JdN on Andrew Carrington Hitchcock show on Mary Phagan case; why should national socialists care about “Jesus the Jew”; reincarnation facts pile up

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1. A comrade wrote this to another, and copied it to me:

   Hitler mentions Jesus only once in Mein Kampf, and then a handful of times in various speeches. However, he discusses him in depth on several occasions in the Table Talks. Taken in the aggregate, it appears that AH felt that Jesus was an Aryan who led a popular revolt against the Jews of his time. He makes the point that it is impossible to know what his actual teachings were, since he left no written account of them himself. All that has come down are various sayings, parables and anecdotes, said to have been compiled by his followers, but not put into writing until generations later. These were further mediated by the early Church fathers, who decided which sayings, etc., would be accepted into the Biblical canon and which would be excluded. All of this makes it impossible to reconstruct what Jesus actually taught.

   I believe that Hitler never investigated the historical origins of the Jesus-myth himself, but simply adopted the beliefs of Richard Wagner, and later Houston Stewart Chamberlain, as his own. Both men were exponents of what they termed “Aryan Christianity,” and which is called in the NSDAP program “Positive Christianity” (point 24).

   As for the Table Talks, I believe that they are generally accurate, but I note with alarm that the sections on Jesus and Christianity have been heavily edited in the standard English edition, which basically makes them worthless. One would hope that a new translation could be made at some point, reflecting the original more faithfully. But even here I note that the Table Talks themselves consist only of paraphrases of what AH said, and are not a verbatim record of his words.

   Personally, I am more of the mind that Jesus is an imaginary figure from Christian mythology, who never existed in the first place. This was the view of Savitri Devi, who summarized the results of her investigation into the matter in her essay Saul of Taurus. Certainly, there is no contemporary evidence that Jesus ever lived, so that one has to take whatever is said to be known about him with a grain of salt. If he never lived in the first place, who cares what he supposedly believed?

   88!

   PS — Perhaps Jesus was an Aryan, but even if he was, his birth tongue was Aramaic, which is a Semitic language. His name would have been something like “Yeshua bin-Yusef al-Nazarini.” Does not sound Aryan to me – but then I do not believe that he existed in the first place!

   *** I replied:

   Greetings, comrades.

   I agree with all of the above except for the possible non-existence of Jesus. And I am familiar with the arguments for Jesus being a mythical being.

   The Talmud was written down, starting around 100 AD, by the grandsons of the Pharisees who actually knew Jesus and organized his arrest and death. Michael Hoffman’s massive book, which I largely read, Judaism Discovered, goes into this nexus – the same Pharisees who killed Jesus wrote the Talmud.

   http://www.amazon.com/Judaism-Discovered-Anti-Biblical-Self-Worship-Superstition/dp/0970378459

   The Talmud writers not only freely concede he existed — that is not even a topic of any debate whatsoever in the Talmud — but also that He performed miracles, and was a skilled teacher, but claimed His powers were all demonic.

   In one sicko story, Jesus demands his mother Mary give him the black magic secrets of Egypt so he can do miracles. (The New Testament does admit the family went to Egypt, saying it was for the Roman Census.)

   She refuses.

   So one day she is bending over a chest of clothes and he slams the lid down on her breasts, sits on the lid, and as she screams in pain, he demands again she tell him the black magic secrets of Egypt.

   And that is how the “son of perdition” learned to do miracles, the Holy Talmud explains. 😉

   Did Jesus really exist? I don’t know. I am not a standard “Christian” anyway — if that means a religion that literally praises sheep. 😉

   I guess I like the guy whose nickname was Wolf. 😉

   But let us think about it. Why would the Talmud not mock the goyim in its many volumes, not destined for gentile eyes, for believing in a non-existent man? Would this not provide further proof the goyim are meshugge?

   The German scholar Peter Schaefer of Princeton wrote a book Jesus in the Talmud saying there actually most likely used to be a lot more in the Talmud about and against Jesus, but the rabbis decided to take it out.

   The description of the book on Amazon says:

   Scattered throughout the Talmud, the founding document of rabbinic Judaism in late antiquity, can be found quite a few references to Jesus–and they’re not flattering. In this lucid, richly detailed, and accessible book, Peter Schäfer examines how the rabbis of the Talmud read, understood, and used the New Testament Jesus narrative to assert, ultimately, Judaism’s superiority over Christianity.

   The Talmudic stories make fun of Jesus’ birth from a virgin, fervently contest his claim to be the Messiah and Son of God, and maintain that he was rightfully executed as a blasphemer and idolater. They subvert the Christian idea of Jesus’ resurrection and insist he got the punishment he deserved in hell–and that a similar fate awaits his followers.

   Schäfer contends that these stories betray a remarkable familiarity with the Gospels–especially Matthew and John–and represent a deliberate and sophisticated anti-Christian polemic that parodies the New Testament narratives. He carefully distinguishes between Babylonian and Palestinian sources, arguing that the rabbis’ proud and self-confident countermessage to that of the evangelists was possible only in the unique historical setting of Persian Babylonia, in a Jewish community that lived in relative freedom. The same could not be said of Roman and Byzantine Palestine, where the Christians aggressively consolidated their political power and the Jews therefore suffered.

   A departure from past scholarship, which has played down the stories as unreliable distortions of the historical Jesus, Jesus in the Talmud posits a much more deliberate agenda behind these narratives.

   ***
   So I think no one can dodge this question: The Talmud writers were the grandsons of those who personally knew and hated Jesus as an enemy of, and traitor to, their precious Judaism, so why did they write ream after ream against a non-existent man?

   In my religion I seek to capitalize on the fact that Jesus, a man loved by hundreds of millions around the world, hated the Jews. And the Jews murdered this man who preached love and peace.

   88!

   JdN

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2. Flavius Josephus–http://www.josephus.org/testimonium.htm

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3. Hey JdN,

   I feel I have a similar story to you in some ways. I have had small memories of past lives like being killed by a few people back in the Roman Empire days, like I was murdered for not going along with the PTB even back then….feelings of déjà vu and dreams of amazing landscapes and ancient scenes.

   That is why I have been on the path to the real truth. It’s like an inner fire to get this world back to something real — not to mention my father is an Old Testament fanatic, which has sapped my energy for some time now.

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4. First of all, the Anti-virus denounces this one page about its certificate (among some other of you pages), certainly some Jewish Tampering to deter hearing the magnific interview and the texts about Jesus vs Thalmu/Jews.

   About the Division between Right Wing against each-other, you may like the french Cartoon “ASTÉRIX”, “La Cizanie”, in English “THE AGENT FROM ROME”.
   (Typical Jewish Trick).

   The writer, who wrote for Astérix, and for “Lucky Luke” too, a (Good I guess) Jew, probably was approached by the Rothschild in France (due to the popularity of both cartoons), and died young, perhaps for discreetly spreading the beans on some tricks.

   Lenin ?? said, “If we allow any opposition, we will be leading it”.

   And apart from that we are attacked by the whole bunch of “Controlled Opposition”, “Judas Goats” (as Michael Collins Piper called some), (“Cabrestos”in Spanish) or Hamelin Pipers.
   I´d decrypt/describe them with the Latin adage “In Cauda Venenum” (the poison is in the tail).
   Alex Jones (husband & father of Jews), Jordan Maxwell, David Ike, even Griffins, and partly Anthony Sutton, just to mention a few.

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