Part Two (of two = the conclusion)
[continued from https://johndenugent.com/roche-van-rensburg/]
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Jack Sen: This is Jack Sen, co-founder of Resistance Radio. You’re listening to “A Masculine Renaissance” with John de Nugent.
JdN: Ok, we’re back with Simon Roche of South Africa, who is a leading official with the organization Suidlanders.org, the “Southlanders,” in South Africa.
Stellenbosch, South Africa
Simon, I’d like to zero in now, in this part of our show, on [Nicholas Van Rensburg’s] prophecies of three world wars, two of which would be lost by Germany, and then the third [prophecy] is quite extraordinary, and pretty dark [laughter] in what it’s predicting.
So would you reiterate for us these things, and tell us what is the proof that Van Rensburg actually said these things, when did he say them, where did he say them, to whom did he say them, and how was all this passed on down to us?
SR: John, if anybody wants to verify the veracity of these prophecies I recommend that they read a book called Messenger of God by Adriaan Snyman.
*** On Adriaan Snyman and Van Rensburg
http://www.wnd.com/2002/05/13875/
Excerpt:
South African scholar and historian Adriaan Snyman, likely the man who best understands van Rensburg’s work and its implications for South Africa.
Snyman’s story and his dedicated quest to understand van Rensburg’s work is a long and captivating account. He was born in Lichtenburg, situated in the old West Transvaal, South Africa, close to Ottosdal, where Seer Nicolaas van Rensburg resided on his farm.
On completion of his schooling, [Snyman] went to work for the Department of Education in Pretoria and obtained a Bachelor of Arts degree. Shortly thereafter, he became a journalist and worked for two Afrikaans newspapers, the Hoofstad [ = “The Capital” in Afrikaans] in Pretoria and the Burger [ = “The Citizen” in Afrikaans] in Cape Town.
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“Adriaan” is like the English word “Adrian,” the English name “Adrian,” but with a double “a” at the end, and “Snyman” is spelled S-N-Y-M-A-N.
And if anybody’s looking for a copy of that book, it has been — but I don’t know if it is right now — but it has been available on Amazon.
.https://www.amazon.com/Messenger-God-Adriaan-Snyman-ebook/dp/B01F8PZA10
Otherwise they can get it from the author’s own website, which is called “Vaandel.” They just have to google “Vaandel.” It is spelled “V” — but the “v” is pronounced in the Afrikaans language like an “f” — v-a-a-n-d-e-l [meaning “banner” in Afrikaans].
*** This site is entirely in Afrikaans; here is a Google translation into English of “Vaandel Publishers”: https://tinyurl.com/ycqgw9aa
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So they can go to Vaandel Publishers and they can read the book for themselves.
Alternatively there is a document available on the Internet which is a very succinct document in the original [old-style] Afrikaans. It is very difficult to understand, and comes from a time when Afrikaans far more closely resembled Dutch than it does now.
And that document is a transcript of the original records of Siener Van Rensburg’s prophecies as made by his daughter, Anna Badenhorst.
JdN: Oh, I see.
SR: The original is kept in the Lichtenburg Museum. “Lichtenburg” is spelled L-I-C-H-T-E-N-B-U-R-G.
So those are the original sources, and people can verify what I’m going to say for themselves.
More than that I can’t really do. I mean, I don’t know how else to kind-of prove that these things are valid. The records are there; they’ve always been there. They’re beyond dispute. and that’s all there is to it, really.
JdN: Where is the Lichtenburg Museum located?
SR: It is in the west of — we no longer have the old provinces we had in South Africa, and the old provinces were very simple to follow geographically.. They kind of made sense…. Lichtenburg is now in the northwest province of South Africa and I would estimate that it is 200 kilometers [120 miles] approximately westwards of the city of Johannesburg.
JdN: I see, okay. First of all, to whom did Van Rensburg tell these prophecies? Was he in a British POW camp, a “prisoner-of-war” camp at that time?
SR: He was in a wide variety of places. Some of them he gave to his peers, his comrades-in- arms, during the [Second] Anglo-Boer War (of 1899-1902). Some of them were written down by his daughter. Some of them were written down by his son; some [others] he revealed in letters to a man called Boy Mussmann.
So they were [given] in a variety of locations, but they were all consolidated in a compendium called Messenger of God, which is a fascinating book written by Adriaan Snyman.
JdN: I see. Okay. Now what’s the story with these reports that I have gotten that some of the things he said verbally, orally, were written down in the 1940s, actually during World War II? [Van Rensburg himself had died back in 1926.] Is that the case with his prophecies….?
SR: I’ve never heard that. But what I do know is that the private correspondence of Boy Mussmann with Siener Van Rensburg was, well, it was private correspondence, and it was only revealed later, so it may be that to which people are alluding.
I’ve never heard anybody, ever, even once dispute it. Maybe people dispute it, but I’ve never known anybody to dispute it. It is generally recognized by people who follow this subject that the letters of Om Boy Mussmann and his uncle Maslon all things.
JdN: I guess in Afrikaner culture, if you respect an older man, you call him “Uncle.”
SR: Oh, yes, that’s right. It’s universal, and it’s compulsory.
JdN: For example, in the first Anglo-Boer War, the leader was, and even I learned this in America as a boy, Oom [“Uncle”] Paul Kruger.
*** Paul Kruger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Kruger
Paul Kruger
5th President of the South African Republic
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Stephanus Johannes Paulus “Paul” Kruger (/ˈkruːɡər/; Dutch: [ˈkryɣər]; 10 October 1825 – 14 July 1904) was one of the dominant political and military figures in 19th-century South Africa, and President of the South African Republic (or Transvaal) from 1883 to 1900. Nicknamed Oom Paul (“Uncle Paul”), he came to international prominence as the face of the Boer cause—that of the Transvaal and its neighbour the Orange Free State—against Britain during the Second Boer War of 1899–1902. He has been called a personification of Afrikanerdom,
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SR: Yes, yes that’s exactly correct term of respect for an older man, an older leader.
JdN: Yes, obviously Van Rensburg would be very interested in Britain — what it was doing to his people – and interested in world wars.
The Germans had been very friendly and favorable to the Afrikaners and to the Boers and so they viewed them as friends. And so they were.
The fact that Britain was, you know, obviously trying to crush Germany in World War One and in World War Two would be of great interest to the Boers, because Germany was, like, their ally, their blood brother, and even the two languages are similar.
Obviously, just as Dutch and German are similar, Afrikaans and especially the northern German dialect are very, very similar. I know, because I speak German, and it was quite easy for me to to learn Afrikaans because I’d also studied the North German dialect, not just standard German but also the North German. They are very, very similar languages, so of course there’s a feeling of brotherhood.
And so the prophecies of Siener Van Rensburg about what would happen to Germany would be of great interest because if you have a “great nation” like Germany on your side, then the Boers have a chance, but they’re a small white nation compared to the British Empire — compared to England. But if they have Germany on their side, then they have a “fighting chance,” we would say.
SR: Yes, that’s correct. There was a bond of kinship, and it was a bond based upon the fact that the Germans had been sympathetic to the Boers.
So it remains to this day an amity between the Boers and the Germans, and an enmity between the Boers and the British.
JDN: Tragic. It really is tragic, because there’s so many fine British people. My grandfather was from Goole in Yorkshire, England, and he was just about the finest man I ever knew. He really was a British gentleman. He was honest and punctual and hardworking and friendly, and not arrogant or high-handed at all. He was just very British in all the best ways you could think.
John Thomas Colwell from England and his wife, my maternal grandmother Elizabeth, née Angell.
But the British ruling class, as we’ve seen what’s going on now with the pedophilia, and bringing in Muslims by the millions, and all kinds of things — I mean, modern England is a nightmare because the British ruling class seems to actively hate the British people. They’re destroying them; they’re destroying it.
Sajid Javid, the Pakistani Home Secretary of the UK
Saddiq Khan, the Pakistani mayor of London
SR: Yes, that’s correct.
It’s tragic. [laughter] I mean I shouldn’t be laughing. I’m laughing because it’s so ludicrous.
OK, so now I wanted to go on.
In particular, Donald Trump is the president of the United States and in a previous interview, you said that, when he first surfaced as a major candidate for president, around 2015, the people [in South Africa] who believed in Van Rensburg were very excited, because right away it seemed he was fulfilling the prophecy:
–the detail about this scowling, stern conservative who would rise up, and
–he would replace a black U.S. president, and then, shockingly
–he would get a war going with Russia.
So could you tell us about that and especially about the wig….. the strange phrase about his hair was kind of “poofy” and “like a wig” — or I’d like for you to go over that.
And you’re saying that all this is in the Lichtenburg museum.
SR: Yeah, well, John, I don’t know. I have a copy of that document, but I can’t, out of my head, cross-reference it to the book, or to the books that I’ve read.
I mean, I’m familiar with these prophecies, and the people around me are familiar with them, but I don’t think anyone of us can say to you, ‘Well, that prophecy was from the third of May at ten o’clock in the morning, and it was written down by a man called James and that one was written down by a chap called John’ — but these prophecies are all well-known prophecies- There is no ambiguity or vagueness about them whatsoever.
JdN: Well, yes, hat’s a good, fair point, because you know, in America we had a famous psychic named Edgar Cayce.
***Wiki on Cayce
Useful, but slanted and negative article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce
Let it be noted that earlier versions of this article went fully into his antipathy toward blacks and Jews.I was informed that in a reading Cayce called Jews “reincarnated criminals.”
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It’s not important when he said them; it’s what he said. In any case, he was very famous when he was alive. People came to him with illnesses, and sometimes he would find there was a spiritual thing going on that made him sick, and he would give people readings and so forth. He became very famous, very, very famous in the 1920s and 1930s; he died in the 1940s.
Yet he had for our times very politically incorrect views about Jewish people, and [about] black people also, which reflected that he was a Southerner. He lived in Virginia [though born and raised in Kentucky], and was very Christian, by the way. So I see some parallels between Edgar Casey and Nicholas Van Rensburg.
So [Van Rensburg] prophesied there would be a black president of the United States and that there would be a black president of South Africa.
There’d be a race war there eventually.
Please tell us about that, and especially about this “leader from across the ocean” who, I think, is “gazing at South Africa” — but he gets a war going with Russia.
SR: I would like to emphasize one thing to your listeners.
What I’m about to describe to you comes from prior to Donald Trump’s emergence in 2016. I first read what was then the very popular book about Siener Van Rensburg in 2001.
I reread it again in 2008 and then another three or four times between 2008 and, let’s say, loosely speaking, 2013 or 2014.
And even then it was well known and well understood that there were two prophecies which seem to be related to one another.
The prophecies were given separately, but there was a general consensus of opinion amongst the scholars that the prophecies were related.
This goes back long before Donald Trump.
There is always been a perception or an understanding that two of his notable prophecies have a connection.
Those prophecies were as follows:
That the reins of leadership of the United States, the virile, or strong, powerful aspect of the United States, let’s say, for the sake of a simple conversation — without getting into speculation and guessing and what have you — for the sake of a simple conversation, let’s say we’re talking about a commander-in-chief figure.
He [NVR] said that the reins of leadership of the strength and power of the glory and the majesty and the power and the virility of the USA would be held by a “little black boy” and the little black boy would confuse the United States.
He would kind of muddle up the values, the traditional values and norms of America, of the powerful aspect of America, of the core aspect of America. Right?
JdN: Yes, yes.
*** Obama orders the White House lit in gay rainbow colors after a US Supreme Court filled with his nominees endorses “gay marriage”
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SR: And he used the metaphor of white-backed oxen. Now in all of his prophecies he was consistent — never INconsistent. This is one aspect of facet of Siener Van Resnburg’s prophecies that is not disputed.
[So] if he talks about a sisal ….
***Sisal originally is a species of Agave native to southern Mexico, but widely cultivated and naturalized in many other countries.
It yields a stiff fiber used in making various products. The sisal fiber is traditionally used for rope and twine, but also paper, cloth, wall coverings, carpets, and dartboards. The plant has a life span of approximately 10 years.
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I don’t know if you get them in the USA, although I suspect that they are, in fact, plants that are from the Americas. A sisal is the plant from which you get the threads that make Hessian rope or Hessian sacks [ = burlap bags], which you will know from your youth. Prior to nylon sacking, everything came in Hessian bags, and prior to commercial nylon rope, Hessian rope was very popular. 
Now that comes from sisal trees.
A sisal tree represents a gathering, a coming-together.
Anything that is blue represents Germany, and so on and so forth.
A man with his hat missing from his head represents a dead man.
A man who has fallen off a stepladder represents someone who has committed suicide.
This is very consistent, whether people scoff or not. It doesn’t matter, but if there is one thing that’s true about this, it is the consistency, and he consistently used one metaphor for America’s strength and power.
Not the hoi polloi who work behind the cash registers in the Walmart…. not broken people with missing teeth who live in trailer parks, not the broad masses, but the archetype of the strong, powerful, majestic, magnificent USA is represented by a white-backed ox.
And this little black boy has a team of oxen, and he takes the oxen and he confuses them, and he swirls them around and around and around — until they become so baffled that they don’t know which direction to face anymore, which implies that they lose sight of their own identity.
I want to emphasize one thing again here — for those people who are upset, [and I say this] with all due respect and with love, and are not paying attention — I’m talking about an understanding that I and my peers have had of these prophecies since well before Donald Trump.
JdN: Yeah. Of course, Trump was famous even back in the 1970s. His father was a multimillionaire in real estate in New York City, and Donald Trump’s been on TV for 40 years.
Donald Trump with talk show host Howard Stern in the 1980s
Even when he was a young man in the [President] Reagan years [1981-89], Ronald Reagan urged him in the 1980s to [someday] run for president.
And he was on Oprah Winfrey, who was a big, black, talk-show host in the ’80s, and she asked him if he was going to run for president in the early 1980s, as I recall.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
So he was definitely a public figure. But he always said ‘No, I have no interest in that. I just enjoy making money and being a businessman.’
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The 64-story Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas
Trump Tower Chicago
Trump Tower New York
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So he was around, but he was not talking about running for president. People wanted him to run for president — but he didn’t.
He had a scandal involving the end of his first marriage to that Czech model Ivana, and he had a girlfriend on the side. And there was a big scandal, a picture of the two women who ran into each other on the ski slopes. And Donald was right there — looking very sheepish. He’s got his wife and his girlfriend all there together! 😉
So he didn’t run for president in 1992 — when he probably would have won. There would have been no Bill Clinton period, but he had [had] this huge marriage [adultery] scandal. And the American people weren’t going to put up with that.
So anyways, okay, so thank you also for that detail.
So, in all [Nicholas Van Rensburg’s] many, many visions that he had over the period of decades:
–the blue represented Germany;
–a man without a hat [means] somebody was dead;
–sSomebody falling off a ladder is committing suicide.
These symbols were used consistently — systematically — by him.
SR: I’ll correct myself.
Before Donald Trump appeared on the scene in 2016 as a serious presidential contender.
This “black boy” will confuse these oxen — mix them up, muddle them up. And he will pivot them [the white oxen = the United States focus] towards the east.
Now you may recall that in 2012 Barrack Obama gave a speech about the United States’s great “pivot to the east” and this is very similar.
*** “Pivot to the east”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration
Excerpts:
President Obama’s Asia strategy represents a significant shift in American foreign policy from a Middle Eastern/European focus to an East/South Asian one.[2]
[….] There has been strong perception from China that all of these are part of US’ China containment policy.[6] Proponents of this theory claim that the United States needs a weak, divided China to continue its hegemony in Asia. This is accomplished, the theory claims, by the United States establishing military, economic, and diplomatic ties with countries adjacent to China’s borders.
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He then said that the reins of leadership of the white-backed oxen, which in all of his visions only represent one entity, that is, the strength of the United States. The reins of leadership will be taken over by a white boy [“boy,” not “man,” because oxen, who are normally docile, were normally led by boys] who is stronger and cleverer than the black boy. Siener Van Rensburg was explicit about that — stronger and cleverer than the black boy — and that he will reorient the oxen in a natural direction.
That’s that vision. Over.
The second vision, in tandem with that, or related or generally regarded to have been in relation to that, is a vision about a man with a stern gaze
….and a [Afrikaner phrase] pluis kyl kuif [poofy hair like a wig and edges that turn up] –staring across the waters to South Africa.
Now it has always been the case, long before Donald Trump appeared on the scene as a presidential contender in 2016 that the person in question, the powerful leader with a stern gaze and a pluis kyl kuif, which I’ll explain shortly, gazes across the waters at South Africa.
And it has always been generally understood that it would have to be somebody from Australia, or the USA, or Canada, because it wouldn’t make sense to describe a European leader [as] gazing across waters, because between South Africa and the heart of Europe, anywhere in Europe, more or less, there is only land, [except] water from the thin, slender strip of the Mediterranean Ocean. The entire length of the continent of Africa lies between South Africa and Europe.
A world map using the German Arno Peters projection and showing the continents in their natural sizes. Clearly, no European could gaze over only water and see South Africa, but an American leader could.
So there has always been an understanding amongst the elders in the Afrikaner-Boer people that this was a reference to a powerful leader who arises, perhaps in the USA, perhaps in Canada, or perhaps in Australia, but in some way is separated from South Africa by water.
This person, as I said, has a pluis kyl kuif, which means “hair resembling a wig.”
It’s very difficult to translate it literally, but I’ll give you an approximation. Pluis means like plumage, kyl means almost like a hollow, or something that’s deep, something that’s not shallow or flat, and that kuif means literally a “fringe.”
*** JdN
Roche pointed out in an earlier interview with me that 150 years ago Afrikaans was a language in transition from the original Dutch language to its modern form as a separate tongue. The three words pluis kyl kuif are a bit like the English of Shakespeare’s time would be for us today, and some Old Boer words have since died out. But the idea is plumage, depressed in the middle, and thus turning up at the edges, almost like a pie crust.
In any case, Van Rensburg was trying to get across that his hair would be strange. 😉
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But metaphorically or allegorically it refers to somebody’s hair style. Pluis kyl kuif means a hairstyle that’s deep and fluffy.
And I was; on approximately the first or second of January, 2017 about 25 miles outside the little farming town of Aberdeen, which as a matter of interest to your listeners is the world’s centre of mohair production. Mohair wool, that very expensive, fancy wool that is produced by angora goats. The center of worldwide production is in and around the town of Aberdeen in the dry Karoo — a semi-desert region of South Africa.
*** Mohair production
http://karoospace.co.za/mohair-country/
Aberdeen
some Aberdeen women
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And I was visiting a farmer there, and we were talking about this prophecy, and we were sort-of debating it, and he said to me:
“Well, I tell you what.”
I had [just] made the point to him that there is a school of thought which says that it [pluis kyl kuif] could mean something slightly different. And he said to me:
“Oh, nonsense, man.
“Well, I said [back], you know, some people say so.”
He said “Oh, that’s nonsense.” I say, “Well, I don’t know. You know there are schools of thought on things.”
So this man said to me: “I’ll tell you what. Let’s go and meet my granny tomorrow in the next town, not in Aberdeen, beyond that. Let’s go and visit her, and let her tell you her understanding of those words” — which we did. And to cut a long story short, she said:##
“When I was a little girl, the people still spoke the old Afrikaans, much like Dutch” — before it was completely revised in the 1930s, very famously, in an effort to unify the dialects of Afrikaans in South Africa, and the language was kind-of simplified.
So she said “In those days people still spoke authentic Afrikaans,” and she said “I learned about the prophecies of Siener Van Rensburg scena from the knee of my grandfather, who spoke that language. And let me tell you that a pluis kyl kuif means only one thing. It means ‘hair resembling a wig’ — ‘hair that looks like a wig.’ Simple as that!”
I said: “Thank you very much, Tannie. “Tannie” means Aunty, and it’s a form of respect for older people in Afrikaans. It’s absolutely compulsory for an older lady [to say “Tannie”].
I said “Thank you very much, Tannie.” And then we spent some time praying together and chatting, and that was the end of the conversation — as simple as that.
JdN: Fascinating — that is fascinating, you know, because the other president who had really poofy hair was Andrew Jackson — and Donald Trump loves Andrew Jackson.
And if you look at many pictures of [Trump] sitting in the Oval Office, in the White House, you can see that oil painting of Andrew Jackson, right off to the side.
***Trump has both an equestrian statue of Jackson behind him and an oil painting to his left side.
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The hair is not flat. It’s poofy. It’s UP, and it’s back, and it’s sticking out.
And if you look actually on one of our American dollar bills you’ve got Andrew Jackson with the “big hair,” you could say.
Donald Trump is the first president in 150 years to have “big hair” like this.
SR: Yeah, yeah, yeah that’s right. Andrew Jackson of course was from the late 1700s to the mid-1800s, if I’m not mistaken.
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1767-1845 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson
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So yes. So these two prophecies were generally understood — long before Donald Trump came on the scene — to be connected to one another, and all the elderly gentlemen who helped me to learn more and more about Siener Van Rensburg, always spoke of them as connected, as that always being their understanding.
And of course he has a stern gaze, you know. When he turns that gaze on, dear me, it’s like a black hole, you know.
So there is an understanding that this man who takes over the reins of leadership of the USA from “a little black boy” is indeed Donald Trump….
JdN: That makes sense.
SR: ….and even that, at some point, he’s going to take an interest in what is occurring in South Africa, and will gaze sternly across the waters towards us.
JdN: I see. Well then, of course, while it is true that, say, the prime minister of Australia or New Zealand or somewhere like that might gaze across the water at South Africa, because they’re somewhat down there in the same latitude, they’re not world powers. And certainly Australia would never pick a fight with Russia, [nor would] New Zealand get into a war with Russia.
Only a country of the power of the United States would be [both 1)] across the water [from South Africa] and [2) even dare] to get into a major armed conflict with Russia.
I mean, Australia and New Zealand have no problems with Russia. They’re very far away from each other, and they have no connection.
This leader from across the water who gets involved with Russia — it pretty much would have to be the American leader.
SR: Yes. You know, there are other interesting prophecies which can be difficult to decipher.
For example, in 1918 Siener Van Rensburg very famously gave a prophecy concerning “a black man in a woman’s clothing,” which clearly implies homosexuality. That is beyond dispute. That metaphor implies African homosexuality and he spoke about this character being “covered in dung,” and the dung “rolling off him towards the West.”
Now with AIDS, of course, you know, everybody knows about it, and a long time ago, many years ago, even then, it was generally speculated that this might be something like a sexual disease, or some kind of affliction that spreads from Africa to the West.
And I don’t want to read too much into it with the benefit of hindsight, because that’s just disingenuous, or it would be disingenuous of me to do [that], but you know, these things have been speculated about for a long time. And that is one example of a prophecy which seems to have come true.
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Actress Amanda Blake, who famously played “Miss Kitty” in the 20-year hit cowboy-western tv series “Gunsmoke” (1955-759 died of AIDS contracted from her Jewish and bisexual husband, politician Mark Spaeth. Here she is seen as a saloon owner in Dodge City, Kansas with US Marshal Matt Dillon.
with husband Mark Spaeth
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And, like the prophecies we’ve just been discussing, it seems reasonably clear — in hindsight. This is not to say that we must speak as if we had guessed it, prior. But in hindsight it certainly seems to be clear.
And he said that, this is to say that Siener Van Rensburg said, and this is well recorded, to his friend Boy Mussmann, that many millions of people will die of the “dung” that rolls off this “black man in women’s clothing.”
JdN: Wow.
SR: My point being that there are about seven hundred and forty prophecies, John, 743 or 748, I forget exactly how many.
Some are easy to understand. Some are very difficult to understand, and inbetween there are the others which are understandable in hindsight, and we have to be wary of giving ourselves credit for identifying something with hindsight, or identifying it in advance when in fact we only recognized it with hindsight.
However, to get back to the point:
This thing of the American president was recognized long before Donald Trump came along.
JdN: Okay.
SR: It was generally understood that there were two prophecies that ran in tandem with one another, referring to a strong leader who rises in the USA (technically speaking, possibly in Australia, possibly elsewhere) but generally it was understood that these two prophecies had something to do with one another, and they specifically referred, or the one specifically referred to taking over the reins of leadership of the USA [the white-oxen reference].
And so you can imagine for yourself [that] when Donald Trump DID appear on the scene, then there were conservative, Calvinist, Suitlander leaders [leaders in the “Southlander” organization for which Roche works to enable the safe evacuation of whites if a race war breaks out in South Africa] particularly, but not only leaders, who said
“This man will win this election.”
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Trump announces for president on 16 June 2015
A December 2015 debate with other Republican candidates
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And I must confess that I was one of those people who said “It’s impossible. It will never happen.”
And I remember one elderly gentleman saying to me:
“Do you really think that a second black leader is going to come along any time soon [in America]? Statistically, statistically, it’s highly improbable. You will see — Donald Trump will win this election.”
And, lo and behold, I was 100 percent wrong, and the three or four of them that I’d spoken to beforehand were 100 percent right.
JdN: Yes.
SR: I’ll give you another example, John, which may be helpful to you.
[Van Rensburg] spoke about three world wars — three giant haystacks — whose flames engulf the whole world.
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A giant haystack is ignited by lighting in Cambridgeshire, England
WWI – a French soldier wades through mud in his trench
WWII — US Army soldiers learn about the machine gun
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And concerning the second one, at the time of the second giant haystack, flames engulfing the whole world, a giant blue stone — blue always representing Germany in all things — if it’s a blue letter then it’s a letter sent from Germany — If it’s a blue stone, it’s a German stone.
And he said at the time of the second great haystack that a great blue stone will rise up in Europe and it will roll across the whole of Europe.
And then it will roll back again, and it will fall down and split into two.
***US Army and Red Army soldiers meet at Torgau on the Elbe River on 25 April, 1945
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Now of course in advance nobody could have foreseen [in 1917] the split into West and East Germany.
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Germany split between NATO and the Warsaw Pact
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But in hindsight it seems quite clear.
Now if we talk about a war with Russia, he said that the third great haystack, whose fires will engulf the world, will be ignited by a Turk.
JdN: REALLY!?
Wow.
Turkey’s President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan
SR: Bear in mind that, at the time Turkey was the Osman, or what we call, in English, the “Ottoman” Empire. In Arabic it’s the Osman Empire, the Osman emperors.
So the Osman Empire, Turkey, as it was known, was: Palestine, Lebanon, Western Persia, (modern-day Iran), Iraq, — and Syria, not to mention Turkey, of course — SYRIA.
So we can’t be certain that this is going to be a great war in Syria that involves Turkey. But when you look at the way things are, you can’t help but wonder to yourself.
He said that Turkey would antagonize, or goad, or provoke Russia, beyond endurance and the way he describes the Turks’ role, it seems to imply that Turkey is a proxy for NATO.
Now obviously NATO didn’t exist at the time [1949-present] that he was making these prophecies [1917].
So I’m speculating. Nevertheless, perhaps you’ll understand why it seems to make sense when I tell you that Russia then invades this Turkey.
JdN: Well, that’s interesting, because right now, while there was a great conflict a year ago.
***24 November 2015: Turkey shoots down Russian fighter jet overs Syria; pilot killed a Russian Marine died during a rescue attempt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown
The pilot of the Su-24, Oleg Peshkov, 45, was posthumously awarded the Hero of the Russian Federation, the country’s highest military honour.
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And then Russia/Putin and Erdogan in Turkey “made up” — and now they’re sort-of buddies, although they really disagree on many things still.
SR: Yes.
JdN: But at the moment Erdogan seems to have almost left NATO, and he’s bought the “S-400” Russian antimissile system, which is very advanced, and NATO is very upset about that.
So at the moment, Erdogan — I mean, I don’t think anybody can trust the man.
But after being hostile towards Russia, now he’s “palsy-walsy” with them — at the moment — at the moment.
But who knows?
SR: Yes. Well, look, you know, it’s a superficial amicability between Russia and Turkey. At the foundational level they are not buddies with one another. Turkey is part of NATO. And Turkey is “anti” the Assad regime [which is the ally of Russia].
So there is definitely no friendship there — not at a foundational level, a substantive level… well, beyond their kind-of being friendly to one another, not since the Turks shot down those two [Russian] planes in November 2015, the Russian jet fighters.
JdN: Right. But, of course, you know, Russia and Turkey have historically been enemies. The one was the great proponent of Orthodox Christianity. The Turks were the ones who conquered Constantinople, which is the head [city] of Orthodox Christianity. By force they muslimized it. They turned its beautiful church, the Hagia Sophia Cathedral, into a gigantic mosque, and they proceeded to horribly persecute the Christians.
The Hagia Sophia cathedral in Constantinople, with minarets added, is now the “Blue Mosque of Sultan Ahmet” in what Turks call “Istanbul”
And Russia has always had the goal, Christian Russia, of liberating Constantinople, now called Istanbul, re-Christianizing it.
AND the Russian Navy needs that area to be Christian and friendly to them so that their warships can get out of the Black Sea and down into the Mediterranean and points further out.
SR: Perfectly correct.
JdN: So Russia and Turkey are not natural buddies at all.
SR: Yes, that’s exactly correct. Now [Van Rensburg] said that the Turks were to goad, antagonize or provoke, whichever term you prefer, Russia beyond the point of endurance, and Russia would then invade Turkey, and go from the one end to the other one in one night.
JdN: Wow. Let me stop you here, because, you know, that’s also fascinating, what you’re saying, Simon, because the way we’ve come to know Vladimir Putin is he’s very patient.
He tells you what he doesn’t like. He warns you repeatedly. He’s not a warmonger. He doesn’t like to take military action, but he will, yet only after repeatedly warning you, and explaining to the world community — he does that a lot through RT [Russia Today] and press conferences and whatnot — “This is what we object to.”
So there’s no surprise with Putin. He doesn’t want war. And he will tell you –he’ll warn you — this is going to cause problems. Please stop.
You know — so that’s consistent with what Van Rensburg was saying.
In other words, that Russia would have to be goaded and goaded and goaded, and irritated, for a long period before it finally took action.
That’s consistent with Putin’s behavior.
SR: That’s right.
When he said that Russia would then go on into Europe, and that that would kind-of be the beginning of the Third World War, if that makes sense. That would be the “third great haystack” whose fires would engulf the whole world.
And he said that that would come after a sudden wave of black- and brown-skinned migrants into Europe.
JdN: Yes. So what happened — could you just give us a wrap up here — what happens now in World War Three?
SR: Well, look, ultimately, he said that Russia and the USA would fight each other almost to the death. …. so much so that there would be nothing left of Russia…
…that Great Britain would be physically removed from the face of the earth — that sounds highly improbable, but that was his claim —
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There are stories the Russians might use a 50 or 100-megaton hydrogen bomb — like the “Tsar Bomb” that was successfully ignited in 1961 — or use their own version of HAARP to cause a stupendous tsunami, and drown the entire island.
The “Tsarbomba” of 3o October 1961 was very real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba The Tsar Bomba mushroom cloud was seen from a distance of 161 km (100 mi). The crown of the cloud was 56 km (35 mi) high at the time of the picture.
Wiki:
All buildings in the village of Severny (both wooden and brick), located 55 km (34 mi) from ground zero within the Sukhoy Nos test range, were destroyed. In districts hundreds of kilometers from ground zero wooden houses were destroyed, stone ones lost their roofs, windows, doors, and radio communications were interrupted for almost one hour.
One participant in the test saw a bright flash through dark goggles and felt the effects of a thermal pulse even at a distance of 270 kilometres (170 mi).
The heat from the explosion could have caused third-degree burns 100 km (62 mi) away from ground zero. A shock wave was observed in the air at Dikson settlement 700 km (430 mi) away; windowpanes were partially broken to distances of 900 kilometres (560 mi).[24] Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage at even greater distances, breaking windows in Norway and Finland. Despite being detonated 4.2 km above ground, its seismic body wave magnitude was estimated at 5–5.25.[10][21] Sensors continued to identify the shockwaves after their third trip around the world.[11][25]
London is elevation 35 m (115 ft) above sea level.
In the 1950s the US experimented with relatively weak tsunami-causing bombs.
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And [Van Rensburg said] that the USA would be so exhausted by the war that it would become ‘n klein, onbenullige landjie, a small, insignificant little land.
He uses the double: both “small” and “little.”
“Small, insignificant, little land.”
And that the only people who come out of this World War Three in any kind of fit state is Germany.
But he spoke about the USA using weapons so terrible that he could not find the words to describe it.
He said to his daughter ‘the USA uses such weapons… so terrible that I cannot find the words to describe them.’
And she wrote that literally in her record of the vision.
And her father says that he sees the USA using weapons so terrible that he cannot find the words to give me to describe them, you know, for posterity.
He spoke about something approximating lasers.
Now I don’t want to speak out of turn, and be dishonest about this or untruthful. But he talks about “rays that scorch the earth.” Something like lasers –I don’t know. “Rays that scorch the earth — and from which nothing can hide.”
He also spoke about stores of weapons that the Germans have hidden. I don’t remember the exact details. And, again, I don’t want to speak out of turn, because it would be less than honest. It would be deceitful. Quite frankly, it would be misleading of your audience.
I am not a Siener Van Rensburg specialist. Many people think that I am, because I know a fair amount, but I have not devoted my life to memorizing every last word of his prophecies in the original Dutch.
So I can only tell you what I really and truly and genuinely know. I’m a little bit vague on this one, but, from my recollection of the reading, Germany hid weapons for many years, and during this war Germany retrieved those weapons from where they had been hidden for many, many years — and employed the weapons in this Third World War.
JdN: Very interesting. And what you’re saying also (from our last show) you said that the Germans and the Boers worked together, and they create a vast white empire in the southern part of Africa.
SR: Yes. He said that the situation of the Boers would be so dire that everyone would give up hope; all hope would be lost. And then a number of events would occur, and it would be a great miracle. A man would stand up on a kopjie — that means “a little hill.” The literal translation is “little head” — and in South Africa we don’t have many proper mountains, but we have many kopjies — little rocky heads of a few hundred feet or a few hundred meters [in height] scattered across much of the country.
And he said that a man would stand up on one of those kopjies [and speak to them?] and it would give new heart, and new hope, to the Boer people, and so on and so forth.
And then to get to the point that you were making, he said that the Germans would provide the Boers with the weapons that they needed to win their final fight for freedom.
JdN: I would suggest to some of these ANC people that they beware, because if this prophecy comes true, those blacks who participated in massacring white people could be in big trouble — because the white man is going to make his comeback — according to Van Rensburg.
SR: Well, yes, he said that. I hope, John, that you find this as interesting as I do.
Obviously my perspective is different from yours, because I’m not an American, but having spent six months in the USA recently, traveling the length and the breadth of the USA, meeting many, many, many different people and witnessing the explosive growth of organizations like Identity Europa, which was, if I’m not mistaken, only founded in October 2016, and which has now come to have, perhaps, 100,000 members.
I mean it’s absolutely a phenomenon, not to mention other groups that are resurgent, such as the League of the South, the IHR, the American Vanguard, and so on and so forth.
But [Van Rensburg] said that all of these events, this third world war, South Africa, the Boers’ final struggle, what have you, will occur at a time of a resurgence in — he didn’t use the word “white supremacy” — but he did imply that.
It’s difficult to translate that turn of phrase, but he was basically saying it will be a time when all of a sudden a new racism spreads over the world — whatever that is worth to you.
JdN: Yes, well, it makes sense. What with [mass third-world] immigration, and the spread of the Internet, and of course Facebook’s owner, Mark Zuckerberg, has just been grilled [by the United States Senate] because he’s been trying to censor this huge tide of white anger in the United States.
And I’ve had my account constantly deleted. I’ve been suspended. That’s happened to me several times. Twenty five hundred Facebook friends and then “BAM.” I wake up one day and “deleted” — it’s all gone. I have to start over again.
So they’re sitting on a volcano of angry white people. Well, Mr. Roche, I want to thank you very much for this interview today.
And, of course, the main thing that you’re doing is you’re working with “Suitlanders,” the “Southlanders,” which is an emergency evacuation plan, if a race war were to break out in South Africa — to move the White civilian people to safe areas where they can defend themselves, and not be picked off one by one in the big cities.
SR:That’s exactly correct. That’s exactly what we are endeavoring to do.
And if I may very quickly “plug” us, John, if anybody is interested in supporting our cause as the last bastion of European culture in Africa, and as one of the last bastions of European-derived Christian culture in the world, we urge you — please, please support our free starter campaign.
There is a crowd-funding organization based in the United States of America which is devoted specifically to Christian conservative causes. It is owned by Mr. Charles C. Johnson who is part of the Trump gang, if you like. He’s not in the administration, but he’s part of that team and is recognized as such. And he has established this crowdfunding organization for people like you and me, the people listening to this interview.
If anybody who is listening would like to support us, we are pleading — Please contribute to our crowdfunding campaign on Freestartr, that is, “FreeStartr” without the last “e,”and your people can find us there.
We are desperately endeavoring to raise funds for the purchase of civilian, vital necessities for civil war, which is now no longer an “if” but only a “when.”
JdN: Yes, because they voted to pass a law to seize the farmland from all the white farmers, so that feared, dreaded event is now coming to pass.
Well, thank you very much, Mr. Simon Roche. I salute you for your commitment, and your bravery, and your courage to talk about Van Rensburg again. People say, ‘Well, he was a nut, he was crazy,’ and I think he was very unfairly criticized by Jan Lamprecht, which shocked me, because Jan has done fine work in the past.
So, you know, you’ve been through the fire; you’ve been through conflict. You’ve taken a lot of criticism of all sorts, and you’re still plugging away for your people.
And I really thank you very much for your work and for this interview today.
SR: Thank you. Thank you, John.
JdN: OK, thank you very much, listeners to Resistance Radio — and until next time.
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