Was it good that the Roman Empire became Christian? How Saul’s doctrinal nonsense discredited Christianity

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The gladiator Maximus has stabbed his opponent with two swords in the chest. Now he will decapitate him to the wild applause of the crowd. Christians (and others as well) were appalled by this “entertainment.”

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The vlogger, who calls himself Majoranus after one of the final emperors, in many videos has shown sympathy for Roman paganism. But in THIS video he shows balance and explains how Christianity (aside from certain doctrinal absurdities introduced by Saul/Paul) reduced some of the awful savagery of Roman ways.

Having watched the whole HBO series “Rome,” set in the time of Julius Caesar, Mark Antony and Augustus, I had the same reaction as many others who left comments under the videos: “One can see how much Christianity affected Rome. Things went on in the pagan Roman days that no one would find acceptable today because Christian ethics have affected us, whether we go to church or not.”

In a nutshell, the pagan Romans were incredibly violent and cruel — even by the standards of their day. And over and over, Romans killed their fellow Romans, legions clashed with legions and they slaughtered each other. And this was a  big reason Rome fell.

And how did it look to  supposed “barbarians” (Germans, Kelts, Huns and Persians) to see the Romans acting like wild animals in a cage?

(World Wars One and Two had this same effect also on the colonized Third-World peoples. “Whites claim to be civilized, and then they fire poison gas at each other and commit barbarities like Dresden?”)

Christian ethics (forgetting Saul’s doctrines) about love and compassion made life better for the poor, the sick, for refugees, for women,  for babies, and for slaves… and in fact, we can thank the Christians — thank their ethics — for hospitals, and for the end of slavery and gladiator games.

In other words, life got better –or less horrible — for 80% of the population. Christian ethics, not doctrines, did this.

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….Reaction on VK

[Christianity] wasn’t good. It destroyed Rome.

John De Nugent Aufdeutsch

Alix, the Christianity of today is certainly 100% enemy-controlled and enemy-used, pro-jew and horrible. But Christianity then 100% supported the Empire, including military service. Many excellent and loyal Roman generals were Christians, including Stilicho.
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The Roman orgies and degeneracy, the gladiator games and crucifixions, which we see in certain Hollywood movies were pre-Christian, and the worst things happened 400 years BEFORE Rome fell, in the pagan Roman era, and especially under the Julian dynasty (Augustus, Tiberius, Claudius, Caligula,and Nero).
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Also, after Christianity became the official religion around AD 380 and paganism was banned (especially from the time of Theodosius on), the Church persecuted, restricted, and took harsh actions against the jews. I would recommend you actually read that article and also this one: https://johndenugent.com/christianity-did-not-destroy..

Alix Fero

Christianity only became a state religion in the 4th century in Rome – shortly before the empire started shrinking and finally collapsed.
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I should know, I was born in the city, that was used as an imperial residence by the emperor, who made it a state religion.
During the first imperial dynasty it had the status of a fashionable little cult, like that of Cybele, but even back then Christians resembled modern Islamists more closely. Of course they tried to rewrite history (and were successful until Massimo Fini exposed them in 2000) and cover up their acts of vandalism.
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All Abrahamic religions are thinly veiled political cults designed to conquer and oppress.
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What changed the game for Christianity was the Age of Enlightenment, and it took more than 1500 years to get there. Western philosophy civilised Christianity – not vice versa.
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After Christianity had become the state religion of Rome, they pulled one stunt that got lots of citizens harmed and killed: They tore out the copper pipes of the aquaeduct systems of bigger cities and replaced them with lead pipes. Lead loses particles that enter the drinking water, which is why no sane Roman engineer would have used it before Christianity took over.
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This lead infused water caused disabilities in children (including the unborn) and made adults hallucinate and develop mental and physical problems. This contributed to Rome’s downfall, along with the much weaker military and social structure.
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Christianity only turned user-friendly in early modern times, when science and philosophical schools had improved life in the west so much, that it was closer to pagan Roman civilisation again.
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There’s a reason why Christianity was not able to improve anything after becoming Rome’s leading religion. It only led into the Dark Ages – kind of as if you allowed the Taliban to take over a modern western civilisation.

John De Nugent Aufdeutsch

John De Nugent Aufdeutsch·Author replied to Alix
Alix, I understand your view completely, believe me. I am for Christian ETHICS, not for the jewy and absurd doctrines of Saul/Paul and his fellow jews!
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But lead ..come on… was in the Roman water pipes five centuries before Christianity became 1) tolerated under Constantine and 2) 70 years later the official religion.
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This awful ingredient, lead, was a huge reason why Augustus enacted laws to punish bachelors and boost the white Roman birth rate — the lead in the drinking water caused sterility.

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…..Reincarnation means when we humans are born as little babies, we already have fully developed personalities, character and karma — good, bad or even terrible

Jesus to the Yahweh-worshippers:

….Mostly superb Hans Wilhelm video on Jesus teaching reincarnation

Well, some of the info (found below) is just a bit inaccurate.

Many of the false teachings and the booting-out of the teaching of reincarnation actually go right back to the Sanhedrin jew Saul/Paul of Tarsus, and not to later people like the Byzantine emperor Justinian I.

Saul (who viciously persecuted the very first Christians, just weeks after the Crucifixion, and assisted at the stoning of Saint Stephen) hijacked and rejudaized Christianity very early on.

The entire Book of Romans by Paul/Saul (claiming to gentile Roman Christians that ‘the Jews are STILL God’s chosen people’ and “in the end all Israel shall be saved”) is one big contradiction to Jesus’ own warning in Matthew 21. Here we find three parables about how if the Jews murdered “the Son,” the Father would end His relationship with the Jews. 

The parable of the Good Samaritan was also a warning by Christ, because it is the non-Jew who ends up as the only righteous one.

Having read the whole Bible myself four times (in multiple translations), and having studied the New Testament in the original koiné Greek (three-quarters of which consists of letters by Saul/Paul, I can say that ALL of the NT is full of Pauline teachings, and not those of Jesus.This means both Saul’s/Paul’s epistles (letters) AND the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and Acts.

Anyway, Hans is a children’s book illustrator — not to put him down! — and not a Church historian.

It is just that extremely false doctrines entered and infected “Christianity” — and key teachings of Jesus were even totally deleted! — long, long before Justinian.

Justinian, btw, (photo below of a mosaic in Ravenna, Italy, depicting him) was born speaking Latin, not Greek, and was mostly a good Roman emperor, especially if one is a fan of Ancient Rome, as I am.

(I have no doubt I was a Roman in another life, which is another story. )

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Justinian reconquered/”liberated” much of the old Western Roman Empire, after it had fallen, from the Germanic invaders, the Franks, Vandals, Ostrogoths and Visigoths.

(Of course, I also hate all these stupid wars where Whites go and slaughter each other. How about we try to get along and unite against our real enemies? )

Anyway, this emperor, Justinian, was certainly guilty of “caesaropapism,” that is, literally, “Caesar” (the ruler/politician) playing the Pope.

Should a worldly and ruthless politician also be in charge of proclaiming and dictating to us what is divine truth? Hmmm.

Hans is quite right that the Church Father Origen, one of the greatest (probably the greatest) of them in the first three centuries, believed firmly in reincarnation, which should give “Christians” pause.

Wiki:

Origen of Alexandria[a] (c. 185 – c. 253),[9] also known as Origen Adamantius,[b] was an early Christian scholar,[12] ascetic [13] and theologian who was born and spent the first half of his career in Alexandria. He was a prolific writer who wrote roughly 2,000 treatises in multiple branches of theology, including textual criticismbiblical exegesis and hermeneuticshomiletics, and spirituality. He was one of the most influential and controversial figures in early Christian theology, apologetics, and asceticism.[13][14] He has been described as “the greatest genius the early church ever produced”.

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And he was VERY serious about Jesus and his faith in Him:

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Origen founded the Christian School of Caesarea, where he taught logiccosmologynatural history, and theology, and became regarded by the churches of Palestine and Arabia as the ultimate authority on all matters of theology.

He was tortured for his faith during the Decian persecution in 250 and died three to four years later from his injuries.

Origen was able to produce a massive quantity of writings because of the patronage of his close friend Ambrose of Alexandria, who provided him with a team of secretaries to copy his works, making him one of the most prolific writers in all of antiquity. 

[…] In AD 202, when Origen was “not yet seventeen”, the Roman Emperor Septimius Severus ordered Roman citizens who openly practised Christianity to be executed.[32][40] Origen’s father Leonides was arrested and thrown in prison.[25][32][40] Eusebius reports that Origen wanted to turn himself in to the authorities so that they would execute him as well,[25][32] but his mother hid all his clothes and he was unable to go to the authorities since he refused to leave the house naked.[25][32] 

[…] Origen’s father was beheaded,[25][32][40] and the state confiscated the family’s entire property, leaving them impoverished.[32][40] 

Origen was the eldest of nine children,[32][40] and as his father’s heir, it became his responsibility to provide for the whole family.[32]

[…] In c. 249, the Plague of Cyprian broke out.[99] In 250, Emperor Decius, believing that the plague was caused by Christians’ failure to recognise him as divine,[99] issued a decree for Christians to be persecuted.[99][18][98] 

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This time Origen did not escape.[18][98] 

Eusebius recounts how Origen suffered “bodily tortures and torments under the iron collar and in the dungeon; and how for many days with his feet stretched four spaces in the stocks”.[100][101][98] 

The governor of Caesarea gave very specific orders that Origen was not to be killed until he had publicly renounced his faith in Christ.[98] 

Origen endured two years of imprisonment and torture,[98] but obstinately refused to renounce his faith.[18][102] In June 251, Decius was killed fighting the Goths [a tribe of ancient Germans] in the Battle of Abritus, and Origen was released from prison.

 

*** JdN The Germans in this sculpted sarcophagus about the lost battle of Abritus have beards and wear pants, which the Romans called “tubes,” and found seriously bizarre.

We all know real men — Romans — shave to have smooth cheeks like girls, and wear skirts.

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[98] Nonetheless, Origen’s health was broken by the physical tortures enacted on him,[18][103] and he died less than a year later at the age of sixty-nine.

In 543, Emperor Justinian I condemned him as a heretic [for teaching reincarnation] and ordered all his writings to be burned. 

(Hunh??? LOL!)

Anyway, here now is Hans Wilhelm’s (as usual) mostly excellent video:

And he is absolutely right: once reincarnation is gone, then you are not explaining

1) where we come from,

2) why we are here,  and

3)  where we go at death.”

So the Church had to pull out of its butt all sorts of substitute and far-fetched ideas , and Paul/Saul was their source:

Original sin: We are sinful and heading for hellfire because our ancestors 4,000 years ago, Adam and Eve, disobeyed God

Soul created at conception: So where do all these inborn talents and flaws we have actually come from? Every parent knows your baby comes into this world already having a personality and specific traits. They even kick differently in the belly and nurse differently at the nipple!

Mortal sin: God is love but what you did is so bad, you goin’ to hell, boy, to roast there forever.

Judgment Day:  Way off in the future, everyone will be resurrected to be judged, and no one faces God’s judgment right after you die

Purgatory: You might go to hell just temporarily as an unbaptized baby, or a good pagan, such as a Buddhist

Eternal damnation: Enjoy the lake of fire.

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The famous British PM in WWI — later a friend and fervent admirer of Hitler — found all this post-Jesus Pauline stuff so absurd he became an atheist for a decade.

….David Lloyd George: the Christian idea of “heaven” drove me to atheism

[From p. 355 of Reincarnation: the Phoenix Fire Mystery]

In a diary entry of Sept. 3, 1919, Lord Russell recorded these words of his friend, Lloyd George, who was the prime minister of Great Britain 1916-22 (and later became a huge fan of Adolf Hitler and sought reconciliation with Germany):

 

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When I was a boy, the thought of Heaven used to frighten me more than the thought of Hell!

I pictured Heaven as a place where there would be perpetual Sundays, with perpetual services, from which there would be no escape, as the Almighty, assisted by cohorts of angels, would always be on the lookout for those who did not attend.

It was a horrible nightmare.

The conventional Heaven, with its angels perpetually singing, etc., nearly drove me mad in my youth, and made me an atheist for ten years.

My opinion is that we shall be reincarnated…and that hereafter we shall suffer or benefit in accordance with what we have done in this world. For example, the employer who sweats his workmen will be condemned to be sweated himself….”

 

In writing all this, and more, I have done a lot of preparation.

 

Among other things, I have read:

— the entire Jehovah’s Witness translation of the  Old and New Testaments;

— the entire (Roman Catholic) Jerusalem Bible (originally in French);

–the Elberfelder Bible in German; and

–the JW translation in German

— plus the entire New Testament (NT) in the original koiné Greek.

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Here is John 9:2 in the interlinear version (the original Greek, under it the literal English, and then a smooth English translation on the right)
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Ironically, and to digress a bit, this was the very passage that got me thinking about reincarnation, which was almost totally removed from the New Testament (in favor of the late-Jewish theory that you-get-just-one-life).
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It was finally banned by decree of Emperor Justinian and his empress, Theodosia — a former stripper (yes!!!) — who over-compensated by becoming a religious fanatic — five hundred eleven years AFTER Jesus.
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John 9:1 sets the scene up:
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“Now as he [Jesus, with His disciples] was passing along, he saw a man blind from birth.”

blind from birth…..

9:2:
“And His disciples asked him:  Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, so that he was born blind?”
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Well, it hit me instantly:
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When did the guy even have a chance to commit a sin if he was born blind?
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The very question presupposes an earlier existence, on earth or on some other world, but not in heaven…. clearly in some place where sinners run around!
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Btw, the next verse has Jesus saying he was born blind so now a miracle can happen and give glory to God… so Jesus heals him of his blindness.
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This causes “headlines, ” so to speak, in this Palestinian village, and the vile Jew leaders interrogated the man, demanded he say it was a demon that healed him, and threatened him that he had better keep his mouth shut….) 
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The full chapter:
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As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes.“Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam.”  So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.

His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?” Some claimed that he was. Others said, “No, he only looks like him.” But he himself insisted, “I am that man.”

10 “How then were your eyes opened?” they asked.

11 He replied, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see.”

12 “Where is this man?” they asked him.

“I don’t know,” he said.

The Pharisees Investigate the Healing

13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. 14 Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man’s eyes was a Sabbath. 15 Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. “He put mud on my eyes,” the man replied, “and I washed, and now I see.”

16 Some of the Pharisees said,This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath!”

But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

17 Then they turned again to the blind man, “What do you have to say about him? It was your eyes he opened.”

The man replied, “He is a prophet.”

18 They still did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight until they sent for the man’s parents. 19 “Is this your son?” they asked. “Is this the one you say was born blind? How is it that now he can see?”

20 “We know he is our son,” the parents answered, “and we know he was born blind. 21 But how he can see now, or who opened his eyes, we don’t know. Ask him. He is of age; he will speak for himself.”

22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders, who already had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Messiah would be thrown out of the synagogue. 23 That was why his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”

24 A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. “Give glory to God by telling the truth,” they said.

“We know this man [Jesus] is a sinner.”

25 He replied, “Whether he is a sinner or not, I don’t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!”

26 Then they asked him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?”

27 He answered, “I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples too?”

28 Then they hurled insults at him and said, “You are this fellow’s disciple! We are disciples of Moses! 29 We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don’t even know where he comes from.”

*** JdN:  Of course they do, for Jesus, and His disciples, were from Galilee, in Hebrew, “Galil ha goyim,” meaning “District of Goyim.”

“Goyim” is a nasty jewish slur, literally meaning “cattle,” and signifying NON-Jews.

Wiki: The region’s Hebrew name is גָּלִיל, meaning ‘district’ or ‘circle’.[2] The Hebrew form used in Book of Isaiah 9:1 (or 8:23 in different Biblical versions) is in the construct state, leading to גְּלִיל הַגּוֹיִם “Galilee of the nations.” 

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30 The man answered, “Now that is remarkable! You don’t know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. 31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.32 Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.”

Jesus as depicted on a catacomb wall in Rome

 

34 To this they replied, “You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!”

And they threw him out.

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Judaism is a fanatic religion of guilt, lies, inventions, stolen ideas, and pure, arrogant hate.


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Spiritual Blindness

35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out,

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….In the book Imagine Heaven, written by a former engineer named John Burke and containing some of the 69 scientific studies of Near-Death Experiences, including those had by hard-core atheists, there is a Being of Light who speaks lovingly but seriously with the dead, and, asking “What have you done with the life I gave you?”

The he sends them back to complete their life mission.

He has

“light brown hair and blue eyes.

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…and when he [Jesus] found him [the man born blind and now healed], he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”

36 “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”

37 Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”

38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

39 Jesus said,[a] “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see, and those who see will become blind.”

40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”

41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

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As you know, I, like the great Henry Ford, see reincarnation as the key to understanding everything: 
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I absolutely believe in salvation…  through having many lives of learning to love, by hard work on ourselves, taking a good look at our faults, heeding what true friends are trying to tell us about ourselves, and getting past our selfish, misery-causing ego…and not by believing that Jesus or anyone else can magically take our flaws away.
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Change your life out of love for others; THAT will take away your sin!
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“Ego causes suffering” — the Buddha
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I have had numerous experiences of divine signs or intervention, I have been protected from serious harm, and at times I feel angels right about me.
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Your guardian angels will help you if you are in the right frame of mind.
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As Nisargadatta said: Change is much less painful than suffering!

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